1 00:00:12,149 --> 00:00:16,488 (BIRDS SINGING) 2 00:00:21,358 --> 00:00:25,193 (MOCTOR ENGINE ROAR) 3 00:00:25,262 --> 00:00:28,267 ♪ (INTRIGING MUSIC PLAYS) ♪ 4 00:00:37,641 --> 00:00:39,675 JEFF SIEBERT: He had a scooter. 5 00:00:39,744 --> 00:00:41,243 It was, you know, 6 00:00:41,312 --> 00:00:44,145 she did what she wanted when I wanted it. 7 00:00:44,214 --> 00:00:47,750 A young teenager on a scooter was unusual, 8 00:00:47,819 --> 00:00:49,717 but this image of her 9 00:00:49,786 --> 00:00:52,721 walking around the neighborhood in which he lived. 10 00:00:52,790 --> 00:00:55,652 That was his kind of spirit: 11 00:00:55,721 --> 00:00:57,829 "I'm going to go where I want to go." 12 00:01:02,432 --> 00:01:05,300 TONY TOBLER: A scooter? Small? 13 00:01:05,369 --> 00:01:09,204 I know that many children They had them in that neighborhood, 14 00:01:09,273 --> 00:01:11,907 but I don't remember that she had one. 15 00:01:11,976 --> 00:01:14,813 CORI TOBLER: I don't remember a scooter. 16 00:01:18,077 --> 00:01:19,547 SHARON ROSE STEWARD: As far as I remember, 17 00:01:19,616 --> 00:01:22,317 she was a fun girl and extroverted. 18 00:01:22,386 --> 00:01:24,219 I knew about music and makeup. 19 00:01:24,288 --> 00:01:26,689 with her heels and with her hair done. 20 00:01:26,758 --> 00:01:28,260 She was a very feminine girl. 21 00:01:29,493 --> 00:01:32,055 MARGIE PANDOS: She was not a very feminine girl, 22 00:01:32,124 --> 00:01:34,996 not a girl who sat down and play with dolls. 23 00:01:35,065 --> 00:01:38,233 Rocks, tadpoles, shells and sand, 24 00:01:38,302 --> 00:01:40,439 That was what he loved. 25 00:01:42,506 --> 00:01:46,441 And he liked blue jeans and Reebok boot sneakers. 26 00:01:46,510 --> 00:01:49,778 rugby shirts, He loved those. 27 00:01:49,847 --> 00:01:54,949 She never really was a loving girl. 28 00:01:55,018 --> 00:01:57,419 JEFF SIEBERT: I guess. Empathic is the right word. 29 00:01:57,488 --> 00:01:58,954 KERRIE CAMPBELL: He was always kind 30 00:01:59,023 --> 00:02:00,421 with people that didn't fit. 31 00:02:00,490 --> 00:02:02,357 SHARON ROSE: I always thought that she was spoiled. 32 00:02:02,426 --> 00:02:04,359 -JEFF SIEBERT: Something quiet. -TONY: She was outgoing 33 00:02:04,428 --> 00:02:06,094 -and carefree. -CORI: I was needy. 34 00:02:06,163 --> 00:02:07,429 MARGIE: Your disposition. 35 00:02:07,498 --> 00:02:10,599 was like most of 15-year-olds, 36 00:02:10,668 --> 00:02:13,838 but she used to leave to the extremes. 37 00:02:15,139 --> 00:02:17,409 RON PANDOS: She was a typical teenager. 38 00:02:24,048 --> 00:02:26,285 ♪ (INTRIGING MUSIC CONCLUDES) ♪ 39 00:02:32,251 --> 00:02:34,656 STEPHEN PANDOS: Okay. This is Jennifer's note. 40 00:02:34,725 --> 00:02:38,026 It is a photocopy of the note what my sister left 41 00:02:38,095 --> 00:02:41,931 when he disappeared. Jennifer was reported missing 42 00:02:42,000 --> 00:02:43,698 in February 1987. 43 00:02:43,767 --> 00:02:45,968 I was in college in North Carolina. 44 00:02:46,037 --> 00:02:49,339 And for the first 22 years of his disappearance... 45 00:02:49,408 --> 00:02:50,405 JENNIFER'S BROTHER 46 00:02:50,474 --> 00:02:52,908 ...well, everything what they had told me 47 00:02:52,977 --> 00:02:54,313 It was a lie. 48 00:02:56,112 --> 00:03:00,215 The way I got all this information was for years 49 00:03:00,284 --> 00:03:02,917 trying to do the right thing for Jennifer. 50 00:03:02,986 --> 00:03:08,256 And in 2014, I contacted with a lawyer in Williamsburg 51 00:03:08,325 --> 00:03:11,796 to sue my parents... 52 00:03:14,264 --> 00:03:17,232 for the death of my sister. 53 00:03:17,301 --> 00:03:19,901 And it wasn't about money, 54 00:03:19,970 --> 00:03:23,204 I don't want money or anything, nothing. 55 00:03:23,273 --> 00:03:26,776 I just wanted a judge to say, ah... 56 00:03:26,845 --> 00:03:29,511 "You are responsible and you did it." 57 00:03:29,580 --> 00:03:32,851 ♪ (REFLECTIVE MUSIC PLAYS) ♪ 58 00:03:34,451 --> 00:03:37,656 (BIRDS SINGING) 59 00:03:54,372 --> 00:03:56,675 NARRATOR: The burden of proof. 60 00:04:02,012 --> 00:04:04,946 (CRICKETS CHIRPING) 61 00:04:05,015 --> 00:04:08,684 NARRATOR: Williamsburg, Virginia. February 9, 1987. 62 00:04:08,753 --> 00:04:11,023 MARGIE: It was February. It was cold. 63 00:04:13,457 --> 00:04:15,460 Stephen was at school. 64 00:04:16,661 --> 00:04:19,764 It was almost time to go to sleep. 65 00:04:21,800 --> 00:04:22,964 Jenny. 66 00:04:23,033 --> 00:04:26,067 MARGIE: I asked Jennifer, "Will you call your grandmother?" 67 00:04:26,136 --> 00:04:28,136 Will you call your grandmother? 68 00:04:28,205 --> 00:04:29,733 MARGIE: "And pick up your room." 69 00:04:29,802 --> 00:04:30,739 And pick up your room. 70 00:04:30,808 --> 00:04:32,274 JENNIFER PANDOS, ACTRESS: It's okay. 71 00:04:32,343 --> 00:04:33,609 I'll do it after homework. 72 00:04:33,678 --> 00:04:35,514 MARGIE: She was very nice. 73 00:04:38,549 --> 00:04:41,753 He had his bed and there was a piece of furniture. 74 00:04:42,786 --> 00:04:45,824 I had a big rocking chair wicker... 75 00:04:47,191 --> 00:04:49,424 a dressing table, 76 00:04:49,493 --> 00:04:51,830 which was a family heirloom. 77 00:04:53,331 --> 00:04:55,968 She was usually orderly. 78 00:04:57,902 --> 00:05:01,569 Know? I can see it right now, 79 00:05:01,638 --> 00:05:03,606 in his room on his bed 80 00:05:03,675 --> 00:05:05,577 with a panda shirt. 81 00:05:07,411 --> 00:05:08,910 JENNIFER: I did. Yes. 82 00:05:08,979 --> 00:05:11,647 It was after the fourth period, before the gym. 83 00:05:11,716 --> 00:05:13,515 Okay, I... I was thinking 84 00:05:13,584 --> 00:05:15,779 I was going to put a note in his locker. 85 00:05:15,848 --> 00:05:17,089 Because I had to tell him. 86 00:05:19,457 --> 00:05:22,724 (BIRDS CHEEK) 87 00:05:22,793 --> 00:05:26,999 MARGIE: That morning... I went down the stairs, 88 00:05:28,098 --> 00:05:29,734 I didn't hear the shower 89 00:05:30,700 --> 00:05:33,001 and I thought: "Maybe she fell asleep." 90 00:05:33,070 --> 00:05:36,408 Jenny? Jennifer Lynn. 91 00:05:39,509 --> 00:05:40,976 And his door was closed. 92 00:05:41,045 --> 00:05:43,015 Jennifer, open the door. 93 00:05:44,448 --> 00:05:46,649 MARGIE: There it was, moving the door, 94 00:05:46,718 --> 00:05:48,483 pushing and pulling it, 95 00:05:48,552 --> 00:05:51,319 and called her over and over again without getting a response, 96 00:05:51,388 --> 00:05:53,421 So I called Ron, that was above. 97 00:05:53,490 --> 00:05:55,558 Jennifer Lynn, open this... Ron! 98 00:05:55,627 --> 00:05:58,293 God! That? Please. 99 00:05:58,362 --> 00:06:01,163 MARGIE: And I made it go down. the stairs, 100 00:06:01,232 --> 00:06:05,134 and finally we got something to open the lock and... 101 00:06:05,203 --> 00:06:07,806 -(GRUNTS) -MARGIE, ACTRESS: Jenny. 102 00:06:10,174 --> 00:06:11,410 MARGIE: She wasn't there. 103 00:06:15,613 --> 00:06:18,580 His coat was gone. Her bag was gone. 104 00:06:18,649 --> 00:06:20,983 Your contact lenses They were there. 105 00:06:21,052 --> 00:06:23,218 His retainer was there 106 00:06:23,287 --> 00:06:26,454 and we found that note on his bed. 107 00:06:26,523 --> 00:06:27,622 He could have been in bed, 108 00:06:27,691 --> 00:06:30,125 or could have been in the cedar chest 109 00:06:30,194 --> 00:06:31,496 at the foot of his bed... 110 00:06:33,097 --> 00:06:34,566 but find it there... 111 00:06:35,667 --> 00:06:36,532 it was... 112 00:06:36,601 --> 00:06:38,470 JENNIFER'S MOTHER 113 00:06:40,104 --> 00:06:41,606 ...where my world ended. 114 00:06:43,508 --> 00:06:45,440 (CRICKETS CHIRPING) 115 00:06:45,509 --> 00:06:47,609 MARGIE: When Jennifer disappeared, 116 00:06:47,678 --> 00:06:49,478 We lived in a semi-detached house, 117 00:06:49,547 --> 00:06:50,846 backed by just a little 118 00:06:50,915 --> 00:06:53,718 of what they call Kingsmill Pond. 119 00:06:55,619 --> 00:06:58,286 Kingsmill was a gated community. 120 00:06:58,355 --> 00:06:59,822 Someone who would have picked her up 121 00:06:59,891 --> 00:07:01,927 I should have entered through the door. 122 00:07:04,361 --> 00:07:06,061 If I had been alone 123 00:07:06,130 --> 00:07:09,030 and could have arrived to Highway 60, 124 00:07:09,099 --> 00:07:12,667 could have been picked up at the convenience store, 125 00:07:12,736 --> 00:07:16,038 you know, that was the way to the brewery. 126 00:07:16,107 --> 00:07:18,574 Maybe there were trucks happening all the time. 127 00:07:18,643 --> 00:07:20,112 Everything was possible. 128 00:07:22,113 --> 00:07:24,546 Ron presented the report to the police 129 00:07:24,615 --> 00:07:26,449 that she was missing. 130 00:07:26,518 --> 00:07:27,816 They did what you would call 131 00:07:27,885 --> 00:07:30,285 a "person report" missing." 132 00:07:30,354 --> 00:07:32,420 I guess they ignored it. 133 00:07:32,489 --> 00:07:34,689 I think they just thought that had escaped 134 00:07:34,758 --> 00:07:37,759 and that would appear in the house from a friend, 135 00:07:37,828 --> 00:07:41,296 or a grandfather, or I would return to appear at home. 136 00:07:41,365 --> 00:07:43,635 For me, They didn't do much. 137 00:07:44,201 --> 00:07:46,068 (CRICKETS CHIRPING) 138 00:07:46,137 --> 00:07:47,940 MARGIE: Ron and I... 139 00:07:48,973 --> 00:07:51,573 we sat up at night on the stairs 140 00:07:51,642 --> 00:07:53,975 looking out the window towards the driveway 141 00:07:54,044 --> 00:07:57,480 to the complex parking lot of condominiums 142 00:07:57,549 --> 00:07:59,247 just to see the cars. 143 00:07:59,316 --> 00:08:03,685 It was days and nights sitting by the phone, 144 00:08:03,754 --> 00:08:06,655 just... sitting and waiting, 145 00:08:06,724 --> 00:08:08,994 and I'm still sitting and waiting. 146 00:08:16,167 --> 00:08:19,171 (WEAK ROAR OF WIND) 147 00:08:37,387 --> 00:08:38,920 ♪ (MUSIC CONCLUDES) ♪ 148 00:08:38,989 --> 00:08:40,923 ♪ (POP SONG PLAYS ON CAR RADIO) ♪ 149 00:08:40,992 --> 00:08:44,596 NARRATOR: Charlotte, North Carolina, 2016. 150 00:08:51,235 --> 00:08:52,735 (OPENS CAR DOOR) 151 00:08:52,804 --> 00:08:57,472 (PRESENTER INDISTENT SPEAKING ON TV) 152 00:08:57,541 --> 00:09:00,008 COMMENTATOR: (ON TV) Yes, no. And I would say there is a difference 153 00:09:00,077 --> 00:09:01,909 between Trump reaching the day of the elections 154 00:09:01,978 --> 00:09:04,583 in the mid forties instead of at forty... 155 00:09:05,316 --> 00:09:08,787 (CELL PHONE RINGS) 156 00:09:10,120 --> 00:09:12,621 STEPHEN: Sharon, This is Stephen Pandos. 157 00:09:12,690 --> 00:09:14,823 I'm Jennifer's brother. 158 00:09:14,892 --> 00:09:16,691 I'll be coming to Williamsburg 159 00:09:16,760 --> 00:09:19,562 in the coming weeks and I would like to see you. 160 00:09:19,631 --> 00:09:20,896 Thank you so much. 161 00:09:20,965 --> 00:09:25,868 Sharon was the girl who was talking on the phone 162 00:09:25,937 --> 00:09:28,640 with my sister the night that disappeared. 163 00:09:29,406 --> 00:09:31,573 It's strange to say that. 164 00:09:31,642 --> 00:09:35,680 Say: "I'm Stephen. Jennifer's brother." 165 00:09:36,114 --> 00:09:37,282 I don't... 166 00:09:38,950 --> 00:09:39,952 I don't have... 167 00:09:41,718 --> 00:09:43,583 a reason to say that actually. 168 00:09:44,221 --> 00:09:46,959 (STARTS ENGINE, ROAR) 169 00:09:49,860 --> 00:09:53,328 STEPHEN: I've been there. for almost 10 years, 170 00:09:53,397 --> 00:09:56,368 trying to discover the truth and what happened to Jennifer. 171 00:10:00,171 --> 00:10:03,906 I went to university in the fall of '86. 172 00:10:03,975 --> 00:10:07,142 Jennifer disappeared in February of '87, 173 00:10:07,211 --> 00:10:11,046 and what I remember is receiving a call from my mother, 174 00:10:11,115 --> 00:10:14,483 wondering if he had seen Jennifer. 175 00:10:14,552 --> 00:10:16,485 She thought that had escaped 176 00:10:16,554 --> 00:10:18,219 and for some reason could stop 177 00:10:18,288 --> 00:10:20,692 and go see me regardless where he was. 178 00:10:21,791 --> 00:10:25,827 My mother was not hysterical nor worried. 179 00:10:25,896 --> 00:10:29,264 He didn't express anything. I remember asking questions 180 00:10:29,333 --> 00:10:32,100 and get no answers especially good. 181 00:10:32,169 --> 00:10:34,403 When I tried to speak about the topic with my mother, 182 00:10:34,472 --> 00:10:35,740 She just ignored him. 183 00:10:39,844 --> 00:10:40,809 -SHARON: Hello. -Hello. 184 00:10:40,878 --> 00:10:41,844 JENNIFER'S FRIEND 185 00:10:41,913 --> 00:10:42,978 -Stephen. -STEPHEN: Yes. 186 00:10:43,047 --> 00:10:44,513 -I'm glad to see you. -I'm glad to see you. 187 00:10:44,582 --> 00:10:45,546 STEPHEN: Me too. 188 00:10:45,615 --> 00:10:49,279 I think I found... I did this 189 00:10:49,348 --> 00:10:51,620 when we get angry. (LAUGHS) 190 00:10:51,689 --> 00:10:52,854 -STEPHEN: I see. (LAUGHS) -But... 191 00:10:52,923 --> 00:10:54,622 then we reconcile because she wrote: 192 00:10:54,691 --> 00:10:56,157 -"Thank you very much, Sharon." -Yes, it's funny. 193 00:10:56,226 --> 00:10:58,394 "Thank you very much, Sharon." He had a good sense of humor. 194 00:10:58,463 --> 00:10:59,622 SHARON: Yes, that's right. 195 00:10:59,691 --> 00:11:01,764 "Sharon, thank you for what you did to my photo. 196 00:11:01,833 --> 00:11:03,031 You have been a great friend 197 00:11:03,100 --> 00:11:04,966 and although we have had our ups and downs, 198 00:11:05,035 --> 00:11:07,803 we have surpassed them. Get a boyfriend. 199 00:11:07,872 --> 00:11:09,304 I love you, Jenn Pandos." 200 00:11:09,373 --> 00:11:10,606 Yes, it's Jennifer's, right? 201 00:11:10,675 --> 00:11:11,874 -(LAUGHS) -STEPHEN: Yes. 202 00:11:11,943 --> 00:11:14,042 And then, at school, 203 00:11:14,111 --> 00:11:15,711 you were talking on the phone that night, 204 00:11:15,780 --> 00:11:17,079 when what happened happened. 205 00:11:17,148 --> 00:11:19,380 Can you tell me a little more about that conversation? 206 00:11:19,449 --> 00:11:22,652 -Anything you remember. -We were talking 207 00:11:22,721 --> 00:11:25,655 and your dad opened the door. 208 00:11:25,724 --> 00:11:26,789 I knew you opened the door 209 00:11:26,858 --> 00:11:28,556 and said, "Put the phone down." 210 00:11:28,625 --> 00:11:31,794 and she was Like, "It's okay, Dad." 211 00:11:31,863 --> 00:11:33,289 The second time he came in, 212 00:11:33,358 --> 00:11:34,630 It was the second or third time, 213 00:11:34,699 --> 00:11:36,699 It was like, "Leave the... phone." 214 00:11:36,768 --> 00:11:38,761 or the damn phone." I mean, 215 00:11:38,830 --> 00:11:42,371 It was a tone that had never been heard your father use. 216 00:11:42,440 --> 00:11:43,172 Clear. 217 00:11:43,241 --> 00:11:46,074 SHARON: It was the way in which he screamed. 218 00:11:46,143 --> 00:11:48,944 -It could be intense. I say... -It was intense. 219 00:11:49,013 --> 00:11:50,746 And she said: "It's okay, Ronald." 220 00:11:50,815 --> 00:11:51,847 STEPHEN: Sure. 221 00:11:51,916 --> 00:11:53,581 "Oh, just a minute, Ronald." 222 00:11:53,650 --> 00:11:54,983 I remember that she I called him Ronald. 223 00:11:55,052 --> 00:11:57,118 -STEPHEN: Very good, and that... -And I thought: "Oh, my God." 224 00:11:57,187 --> 00:11:58,653 -STEPHEN: Yes. -"He's going to kill you." 225 00:11:58,722 --> 00:12:00,455 -STEPHEN: Sure. -SHARON: That should have been 226 00:12:00,524 --> 00:12:01,790 among the new and ten. 227 00:12:01,859 --> 00:12:03,358 So we hung up the phone. 228 00:12:03,427 --> 00:12:06,061 And "see you tomorrow." And the next day I waited for her... 229 00:12:06,130 --> 00:12:07,997 -STEPHEN: I see. -...and she didn't show up. 230 00:12:08,066 --> 00:12:09,898 -So I called your house. -STEPHEN: Okay. 231 00:12:09,967 --> 00:12:11,534 and your mom told me that she was sick. 232 00:12:11,603 --> 00:12:12,935 -Yeah. -SHARON: Okay. 233 00:12:13,004 --> 00:12:14,469 Again, the second day... 234 00:12:14,538 --> 00:12:15,738 -STEPHEN: Yes. -...same, 235 00:12:15,807 --> 00:12:16,872 I waited for her. 236 00:12:16,941 --> 00:12:19,208 He didn't show up, I called the house 237 00:12:19,277 --> 00:12:22,878 and I think your mom said who had gone out with your dad. 238 00:12:22,947 --> 00:12:24,813 And then on the third day, 239 00:12:24,882 --> 00:12:26,818 Your mom came to our house. 240 00:12:27,684 --> 00:12:30,853 And I remember that I was in the kitchen 241 00:12:30,922 --> 00:12:34,055 and my mother opened the door, 242 00:12:34,124 --> 00:12:36,492 -and I heard your mother's voice. -STEPHEN: Yes. 243 00:12:36,561 --> 00:12:37,859 I approached and thought: 244 00:12:37,928 --> 00:12:39,828 "Oh my God. What happened to Jennifer? 245 00:12:39,897 --> 00:12:41,596 -Where is Jennifer?" -STEPHEN: Sure. 246 00:12:41,665 --> 00:12:43,999 And your mom was like: "We don't know, 247 00:12:44,068 --> 00:12:46,468 "She ran away." I said, "What? 248 00:12:46,537 --> 00:12:47,769 Don't you know anything about her?" 249 00:12:47,838 --> 00:12:49,204 "No, we don't know anything about her." 250 00:12:49,273 --> 00:12:51,974 It was not the mother worried, like: 251 00:12:52,043 --> 00:12:54,143 "My daughter is missing. What am I going to do?" 252 00:12:54,212 --> 00:12:56,746 -Mm, no. No. -TRUE? Okay. 253 00:12:56,815 --> 00:12:59,114 I say, Stephen, She walked through the door. 254 00:12:59,183 --> 00:13:01,617 She was standing in the hallway. 255 00:13:01,686 --> 00:13:03,886 -Clear. -He never took off his coat. 256 00:13:03,955 --> 00:13:06,755 At first I thought that only had escaped. 257 00:13:06,824 --> 00:13:08,557 -STEPHEN: Yes. -And he didn't tell me. 258 00:13:08,626 --> 00:13:10,058 I thought, "Who is this?" this person?" 259 00:13:10,127 --> 00:13:12,122 -You didn't recognize her. -Because we told each other everything. 260 00:13:12,191 --> 00:13:13,629 Yes, exactly. 261 00:13:13,698 --> 00:13:16,064 You told each other everything. As...? 262 00:13:16,133 --> 00:13:20,201 How would you not know that she I was having so many problems 263 00:13:20,270 --> 00:13:22,037 what would have felt What should I flee? 264 00:13:22,106 --> 00:13:23,805 -That's how it is. -She didn't take anything. 265 00:13:23,874 --> 00:13:25,407 nothing was missing in his room. 266 00:13:25,476 --> 00:13:26,975 That's what I always said. 267 00:13:27,044 --> 00:13:30,179 She would never have left without clothes. 268 00:13:30,248 --> 00:13:32,548 TRUE. I believe with all my heart 269 00:13:32,617 --> 00:13:34,049 that my father is responsible. 270 00:13:34,118 --> 00:13:36,685 My mother told me that was one of the first things 271 00:13:36,754 --> 00:13:38,687 I said, "Your father did something." 272 00:13:38,756 --> 00:13:39,822 And I thought, "Did I say that?" 273 00:13:39,891 --> 00:13:41,456 She was like: "Yes, you said that." 274 00:13:41,525 --> 00:13:43,025 "Yeah, his dad did something to him." 275 00:13:43,094 --> 00:13:46,565 (WEAK ROAR OF WIND) 276 00:13:51,703 --> 00:13:55,904 ♪ (REFLECTIVE MUSIC PLAYS) ♪ 277 00:13:55,973 --> 00:13:58,340 RON, ACTOR: Hey, listen, It's after ten. 278 00:13:58,409 --> 00:14:00,570 -JENNIFER, ACTRESS: I know. -And you know the rules. 279 00:14:00,639 --> 00:14:02,247 no calls after ten. 280 00:14:05,517 --> 00:14:06,514 No, no, no. 281 00:14:06,583 --> 00:14:08,717 That doesn't mean start a new conversation. 282 00:14:08,786 --> 00:14:12,387 Alright. Alright. just give me a second to say goodbye. 283 00:14:12,456 --> 00:14:14,457 What part of leaving the damn phone 284 00:14:14,525 --> 00:14:15,457 don't you understand? 285 00:14:15,526 --> 00:14:17,192 Good, Ronald. I'm going to leave the damn phone. 286 00:14:17,261 --> 00:14:18,931 Sharon, I'll talk to you tomorrow. 287 00:14:23,801 --> 00:14:24,967 PRODUCER: Can you talk 288 00:14:25,036 --> 00:14:27,069 about the dynamics in your home? 289 00:14:27,138 --> 00:14:30,305 Yes, my father was difficult, I assure you. 290 00:14:30,374 --> 00:14:33,278 What I remember is that always I had to treat it with care. 291 00:14:36,180 --> 00:14:39,318 my parents got divorced in the late 90s. 292 00:14:40,512 --> 00:14:43,353 My father sold his business 293 00:14:43,422 --> 00:14:44,953 and moved to Texas. 294 00:14:45,022 --> 00:14:47,256 I don't have a relationship with my father now 295 00:14:47,325 --> 00:14:50,392 and I didn't have it before. It scares me. 296 00:14:50,461 --> 00:14:52,562 Jennifer and me we treated my father 297 00:14:52,631 --> 00:14:54,096 in a very different way. 298 00:14:54,165 --> 00:14:56,031 When she defended herself, I was just saying: 299 00:14:56,100 --> 00:14:58,762 "Hit me and let me get out of here." 300 00:14:58,831 --> 00:15:01,603 We were three or four years old of difference, 301 00:15:01,672 --> 00:15:03,471 We were really very different. 302 00:15:03,540 --> 00:15:05,307 It was strange that I was at home. 303 00:15:05,376 --> 00:15:07,971 I was always in the field golf or with friends, 304 00:15:08,040 --> 00:15:11,313 and Jennifer spent the weekends of the week away from home. 305 00:15:11,382 --> 00:15:14,315 I think it was a technique survival, 306 00:15:14,384 --> 00:15:17,589 why be at home He didn't feel safe. 307 00:15:19,156 --> 00:15:21,657 My mother never protected us to my sister 308 00:15:21,726 --> 00:15:25,164 or me from my father, never. 309 00:15:26,097 --> 00:15:28,263 When my father was angry 310 00:15:28,332 --> 00:15:30,502 and he became violent, my mother was walking away. 311 00:15:32,202 --> 00:15:34,402 MARGIE: That looks like the photo. from Stephen's school, 312 00:15:34,471 --> 00:15:37,406 but it's probably just a photo of JCPenney 313 00:15:37,475 --> 00:15:38,477 or something of it. 314 00:15:40,044 --> 00:15:44,245 Stephen has made it his mission condemn his father. 315 00:15:44,314 --> 00:15:46,816 And that's fine if Ron did it, 316 00:15:46,885 --> 00:15:51,954 but since I can't say that's how it was, 317 00:15:52,023 --> 00:15:53,121 basically told me 318 00:15:53,190 --> 00:15:55,257 that I never wanted talk to me again. 319 00:15:55,326 --> 00:15:57,860 I don't have a relationship with my grandchildren 320 00:15:57,929 --> 00:15:59,528 because of that. 321 00:15:59,597 --> 00:16:02,798 Believe me, if I had the answers, I would give them to him. 322 00:16:02,867 --> 00:16:04,136 But I don't have them. 323 00:16:05,269 --> 00:16:06,634 ♪ (REFLECTIVE MUSIC CONCLUDES) ♪ 324 00:16:06,703 --> 00:16:09,474 PRODUCER: So, Did the police surrender? 325 00:16:12,210 --> 00:16:16,645 I think... the department police 326 00:16:16,714 --> 00:16:18,483 He doesn't want to put more resources... 327 00:16:18,783 --> 00:16:20,015 in this. 328 00:16:20,084 --> 00:16:22,985 They think it could be a confession 329 00:16:23,054 --> 00:16:25,053 on the deathbed or something like that. 330 00:16:25,122 --> 00:16:28,752 I don't understand why... 331 00:16:28,821 --> 00:16:33,729 they don't put more efforts to finish something 332 00:16:33,798 --> 00:16:35,634 in what they seem be so close 333 00:16:41,439 --> 00:16:43,272 WENDI REED: I'm Sgt. Wendi Reed. 334 00:16:43,341 --> 00:16:44,572 RESEARCHER FROM THE PANDOS CASE 335 00:16:44,641 --> 00:16:46,275 I work in the department county police 336 00:16:46,344 --> 00:16:48,043 from James City and I was assigned this case in 2006 337 00:16:48,112 --> 00:16:49,714 when i converted in researcher. 338 00:16:50,948 --> 00:16:52,513 I was making a round. 339 00:16:52,582 --> 00:16:54,649 In one of our hallways there was a bulletin board, 340 00:16:54,718 --> 00:16:57,686 and in it there was a steering wheel of a missing person, 341 00:16:57,755 --> 00:16:58,687 by Jennifer Pandos. 342 00:16:58,756 --> 00:16:59,722 MISSING 343 00:16:59,791 --> 00:17:00,922 WENDI: It was gone. 344 00:17:00,991 --> 00:17:04,196 and had never been seen or known nothing from her since then. 345 00:17:04,829 --> 00:17:06,795 That piqued my interest. 346 00:17:06,864 --> 00:17:10,235 ♪ (INTRIGING MUSIC PLAYS) ♪ 347 00:17:11,269 --> 00:17:12,863 WENDI: When I received the case, 348 00:17:12,932 --> 00:17:14,937 had not been done a lot about it 349 00:17:15,006 --> 00:17:17,039 for probably about 18 years old, 350 00:17:17,108 --> 00:17:19,207 because the case file 351 00:17:19,276 --> 00:17:21,977 had disappeared from the police department 352 00:17:22,046 --> 00:17:25,380 and there was no contact with Margie or Ron Pandos. 353 00:17:25,449 --> 00:17:28,083 Because we didn't have that original case file, 354 00:17:28,152 --> 00:17:29,317 we had no idea 355 00:17:29,386 --> 00:17:31,419 from when the family reported the crime, 356 00:17:31,488 --> 00:17:33,688 who was included as suspects 357 00:17:33,757 --> 00:17:36,358 or who was interviewed, so start from scratch 358 00:17:36,427 --> 00:17:39,198 It was my only option at that time. 359 00:17:40,297 --> 00:17:43,298 I started trying to find out about Jennifer 360 00:17:43,367 --> 00:17:44,961 through his friends. 361 00:17:45,030 --> 00:17:46,935 Past behavior of the people 362 00:17:47,004 --> 00:17:48,170 is usually a good indication 363 00:17:48,239 --> 00:17:49,771 of what they are going to do in the future. 364 00:17:49,840 --> 00:17:54,076 So know about Jennifer and what he was like as a person 365 00:17:54,145 --> 00:17:56,781 could take us to what happened to him. 366 00:17:59,951 --> 00:18:01,016 I'm Cori Tobler. 367 00:18:01,085 --> 00:18:02,050 JENNIFER'S FRIEND 368 00:18:02,119 --> 00:18:03,185 And I am her husband, Tony Tobler. 369 00:18:03,254 --> 00:18:04,752 JENNIFER'S EX-BOYFRIEND 370 00:18:04,821 --> 00:18:08,056 PRODUCER: Can you tell me How did you meet Jennifer? 371 00:18:08,125 --> 00:18:10,458 I knew her of primary school. 372 00:18:10,527 --> 00:18:13,962 She came and spent the night in our house. 373 00:18:14,031 --> 00:18:16,030 I knew her 374 00:18:16,099 --> 00:18:19,300 I think just to go to a new one school and meeting people. 375 00:18:19,369 --> 00:18:21,637 PRODUCER: But you guys were dating, right? 376 00:18:21,706 --> 00:18:22,803 Yes. 377 00:18:22,872 --> 00:18:25,074 PRODUCER: Can you tell me How did that relationship start? 378 00:18:25,143 --> 00:18:27,942 We started dating, for a couple of months. 379 00:18:28,011 --> 00:18:32,284 A group of us were friends, so it just happened. 380 00:18:35,452 --> 00:18:38,853 I think what happened with her it was in February, 381 00:18:38,922 --> 00:18:42,224 and she and I stopped dating the previous summer. 382 00:18:42,293 --> 00:18:44,627 -Very high school. (LAUGHS) -Yes. 383 00:18:44,696 --> 00:18:46,498 Yes. Very high school. 384 00:18:47,231 --> 00:18:48,329 CORI: She wasn't afraid. 385 00:18:48,398 --> 00:18:50,098 I don't feel like I ever have had it. 386 00:18:50,167 --> 00:18:51,701 I think he just left with someone 387 00:18:51,770 --> 00:18:53,202 TONY: Yeah, they just left. 388 00:18:53,271 --> 00:18:55,237 She is that person I could do something like that. 389 00:18:55,306 --> 00:18:59,278 You know, something like: "Wow. He just did it." 390 00:19:00,677 --> 00:19:02,344 WENDI: While I was investigating this case 391 00:19:02,413 --> 00:19:04,980 I got in touch with Cori Tobler. 392 00:19:05,049 --> 00:19:07,782 she spoke about a Kerry Hendrix, 393 00:19:07,851 --> 00:19:12,287 who was an old man whom Jennifer took care of. 394 00:19:12,356 --> 00:19:14,924 He provided them with alcohol. 395 00:19:14,993 --> 00:19:18,060 He bought us alcohol if we wanted. 396 00:19:18,129 --> 00:19:20,429 PRODUCER: What do you think of that situation? 397 00:19:20,498 --> 00:19:22,564 At that time, I thought it was incredible. 398 00:19:22,633 --> 00:19:25,633 Brilliant. Someone who left us do what we wanted, 399 00:19:25,702 --> 00:19:27,197 -but now... -Yes. Now you are older 400 00:19:27,266 --> 00:19:29,237 -and you have your own children. -Yes, I wouldn't do that. 401 00:19:29,306 --> 00:19:30,973 Nor would I want my daughter 402 00:19:31,042 --> 00:19:33,943 would take care of someone like him. So... 403 00:19:34,012 --> 00:19:35,644 WENDI: I did. a criminal history 404 00:19:35,713 --> 00:19:39,281 and I discovered that I had numerous convictions for crimes 405 00:19:39,350 --> 00:19:42,384 they were quite violent towards women. 406 00:19:42,453 --> 00:19:43,551 ♪ (REFLECTIVE MUSIC PLAYS) ♪ 407 00:19:43,620 --> 00:19:45,386 NARRATOR: Arrest warrant for homicide. 408 00:19:45,455 --> 00:19:47,355 WENDI: In March 1990, 409 00:19:47,424 --> 00:19:50,025 was accused of attempted of rape. 410 00:19:50,094 --> 00:19:52,795 He was also accused of kidnapping. 411 00:19:52,864 --> 00:19:55,865 He was a good suspect to investigate. 412 00:19:55,934 --> 00:19:58,233 PRODUCER: And have you ever have you talked to him? 413 00:19:58,302 --> 00:20:00,668 I couldn't locate Kerry Hendrix 414 00:20:00,737 --> 00:20:03,708 when I had the case, to talk to him in person. 415 00:20:04,770 --> 00:20:07,242 (CRICKETS CHIRPING) 416 00:20:07,311 --> 00:20:09,311 WENDI: When we are investigating cases, 417 00:20:09,380 --> 00:20:11,750 we have to maintain an open mind to everything. 418 00:20:12,951 --> 00:20:15,250 I interviewed Margie at her home. 419 00:20:15,319 --> 00:20:17,052 Margie told me she believed 420 00:20:17,121 --> 00:20:18,987 that Tony Tobler it had something to do 421 00:20:19,056 --> 00:20:20,956 with the disappearance of his daughter. 422 00:20:21,025 --> 00:20:22,390 When I asked him why, 423 00:20:22,459 --> 00:20:24,359 She said she wasn't very sure. 424 00:20:24,428 --> 00:20:26,461 had been involved in martial arts, 425 00:20:26,530 --> 00:20:28,429 but she had never seen him 426 00:20:28,498 --> 00:20:31,231 be violent with Jennifer at all. 427 00:20:33,104 --> 00:20:34,770 If you have a closed mind 428 00:20:34,839 --> 00:20:37,539 and you think that only they fled, 429 00:20:37,608 --> 00:20:40,779 you can't see things that are right in front of you. 430 00:20:49,153 --> 00:20:51,352 ♪ (REFLECTIVE MUSIC PLAYS) ♪ 431 00:20:51,421 --> 00:20:55,824 WENDI: This is the note. On March 10, 2007, 432 00:20:55,893 --> 00:20:59,094 I had gone to Charlotte to speak with Margie Pandos. 433 00:20:59,163 --> 00:21:01,462 We asked him to fill out a questionnaire 434 00:21:01,531 --> 00:21:05,570 and one of the questions He said something to the effect of: 435 00:21:07,105 --> 00:21:08,603 "Are you hiding something?" 436 00:21:08,672 --> 00:21:11,473 that is relevant for this investigation?" 437 00:21:11,542 --> 00:21:14,943 And she came to that question and he had his pen on the paper 438 00:21:15,012 --> 00:21:16,412 and sat there for a while 439 00:21:16,481 --> 00:21:18,041 and then he looked at me and said: 440 00:21:18,110 --> 00:21:19,851 "Well, I have the note if you want it." 441 00:21:20,885 --> 00:21:21,982 I thought: "Yes." 442 00:21:22,051 --> 00:21:25,120 That was the first opportunity What did I really have to see? 443 00:21:25,189 --> 00:21:27,389 what was said in the note. 444 00:21:27,458 --> 00:21:29,758 The lyrics were difficult to understand. 445 00:21:29,827 --> 00:21:31,994 It seemed as if someone I would have written it 446 00:21:32,063 --> 00:21:33,696 with your non-dominant hand. 447 00:21:33,765 --> 00:21:35,063 ♪ (REFLECTIVE MUSIC PLAYS) ♪ 448 00:21:35,132 --> 00:21:37,566 STEPHEN: "Mr. and Mrs. Pandos, His daughter is with me. 449 00:21:37,635 --> 00:21:41,236 She's fine. However, is having some problems. 450 00:21:41,305 --> 00:21:43,338 need some time away of this place. 451 00:21:43,407 --> 00:21:45,039 Three to five days at most. 452 00:21:45,108 --> 00:21:48,577 She is like a daughter to me and I am like a father to her. 453 00:21:48,646 --> 00:21:50,512 These are some from Jennifer's quotes. 454 00:21:50,581 --> 00:21:53,548 'I'm fine. alone I need time to think. 455 00:21:53,617 --> 00:21:55,450 Both of you please go to work tomorrow 456 00:21:55,519 --> 00:21:59,121 because I will try to call them. I won't call home, 457 00:21:59,190 --> 00:22:01,217 just one of you to work. 458 00:22:01,286 --> 00:22:03,524 Cancel my appointment with the doctor on Friday. 459 00:22:03,593 --> 00:22:06,061 Please deposit money in my bank account. 460 00:22:06,130 --> 00:22:07,462 Don't call the police. 461 00:22:07,531 --> 00:22:09,531 I can easily find out if they do. 462 00:22:09,600 --> 00:22:12,567 And if they do, it is possible May I never return home. 463 00:22:12,636 --> 00:22:14,970 Don't tell them to my friends about this. 464 00:22:15,039 --> 00:22:16,171 Just say I'm sick. 465 00:22:16,240 --> 00:22:17,676 Please, do what I ask of you.'" 466 00:22:20,311 --> 00:22:21,646 And that's all. 467 00:22:22,479 --> 00:22:24,012 During that conversation, 468 00:22:24,081 --> 00:22:25,513 Margie informed me 469 00:22:25,582 --> 00:22:27,683 than the last time that Jennifer had been seen 470 00:22:27,752 --> 00:22:30,819 It was February 9, 1987. 471 00:22:30,888 --> 00:22:34,189 She and Ron waited. until Friday, February 13 472 00:22:34,258 --> 00:22:35,723 to call to the police department 473 00:22:35,792 --> 00:22:37,662 to report the disappearance by Jennifer. 474 00:22:38,529 --> 00:22:40,062 We really don't know 475 00:22:40,131 --> 00:22:42,063 What happened in those three days. 476 00:22:42,132 --> 00:22:44,266 Ron told us he put up flyers 477 00:22:44,335 --> 00:22:46,601 at your school and talked to his friends, 478 00:22:46,670 --> 00:22:49,237 but still I haven't found a friend 479 00:22:49,306 --> 00:22:51,540 what he said who saw flyers 480 00:22:51,609 --> 00:22:53,942 or that they spoke with him. 481 00:22:54,011 --> 00:22:56,711 At some point, Ron said who went to Pennsylvania 482 00:22:56,780 --> 00:22:59,147 to tell you to Jennifer's grandmother 483 00:22:59,216 --> 00:23:00,748 that had escaped. 484 00:23:00,817 --> 00:23:04,719 At another time, they said that they both stayed at home. 485 00:23:04,788 --> 00:23:06,688 In another they said who went to work. 486 00:23:06,757 --> 00:23:09,257 When I asked him to Margie why did she do that, 487 00:23:09,326 --> 00:23:12,595 He told me that the note said that I needed to go to work, 488 00:23:12,664 --> 00:23:14,129 so that's what he did. 489 00:23:14,198 --> 00:23:16,598 Then I asked him about the statement in the note 490 00:23:16,667 --> 00:23:19,201 about putting the money What they owed Jennifer 491 00:23:19,270 --> 00:23:20,536 in a bank account, 492 00:23:20,605 --> 00:23:21,836 and she couldn't give me a reason 493 00:23:21,905 --> 00:23:23,973 why they went to work As the note said, 494 00:23:24,042 --> 00:23:26,574 but they didn't put any money on Jennifer's account, 495 00:23:26,643 --> 00:23:29,377 as in the note he had ordered them to do. 496 00:23:29,446 --> 00:23:31,579 With all the stories contradictory, 497 00:23:31,648 --> 00:23:33,848 our suspicions they started to move 498 00:23:33,917 --> 00:23:37,285 to Ron and Margie Pandos knowing more about this case 499 00:23:37,354 --> 00:23:39,124 of what they were revealing to us. 500 00:23:42,426 --> 00:23:44,427 ♪ (MUSIC CONCLUDES) ♪ 501 00:23:44,496 --> 00:23:45,593 STEPHEN'S FIANCE 502 00:23:45,662 --> 00:23:51,904 I'm Karen Lichtin, and I'm Stephen's girlfriend. 503 00:23:53,365 --> 00:23:56,841 (HESITES) You know, your life partner 504 00:23:57,542 --> 00:23:59,508 or whatever you want to call it. 505 00:23:59,577 --> 00:24:01,410 PRODUCER: How long have they been together? 506 00:24:01,479 --> 00:24:03,878 Four years. A little more than four years. 507 00:24:03,947 --> 00:24:08,550 We met through from a mutual friend and we went out, 508 00:24:08,619 --> 00:24:10,720 and then I think maybe a week later 509 00:24:10,789 --> 00:24:12,687 We went on a second date. 510 00:24:12,756 --> 00:24:16,791 And on that date it was more or less when he told me everything. 511 00:24:16,860 --> 00:24:20,295 when you are older and you're leaving, you know, 512 00:24:20,364 --> 00:24:21,730 you just don't play 513 00:24:21,799 --> 00:24:23,132 you just put it all on the table. 514 00:24:23,201 --> 00:24:28,603 So we both said... the problems in our life. 515 00:24:28,672 --> 00:24:33,141 The previous marriage Stephen's was not excellent, 516 00:24:33,210 --> 00:24:35,538 but she had two incredible daughters. 517 00:24:35,607 --> 00:24:39,048 He adores them. There is nothing What I wouldn't do for them, 518 00:24:39,117 --> 00:24:41,149 and I'm sure what's going through your mind 519 00:24:41,218 --> 00:24:43,651 the fact that they have more or less the age 520 00:24:43,720 --> 00:24:45,754 that his sister had when he disappeared. 521 00:24:45,823 --> 00:24:50,360 He has this horrible thing what you are dealing with. 522 00:24:50,429 --> 00:24:52,127 I try to understand it. 523 00:24:52,196 --> 00:24:55,664 I don't know if I can explain it 524 00:24:55,733 --> 00:24:57,298 because I'm not in your head, 525 00:24:57,367 --> 00:25:00,368 Sometimes I wish it were that way. 526 00:25:00,437 --> 00:25:03,872 But I will say that it is not your responsibility 527 00:25:03,941 --> 00:25:08,213 solve this case, but it is doing the best he can. 528 00:25:10,748 --> 00:25:13,681 DONNIE NORRELL: I think This case can be resolved. 529 00:25:13,750 --> 00:25:16,085 I left the department of Norfolk Police in 2003. 530 00:25:16,154 --> 00:25:17,118 PRIVATE INVESTIGATOR 531 00:25:17,187 --> 00:25:18,586 I was there 26 years 532 00:25:18,655 --> 00:25:21,022 and I did a little more than 10 years in homicide. 533 00:25:21,091 --> 00:25:23,091 BRUCE WHITE: I was in homicide for eight years, 534 00:25:23,160 --> 00:25:25,493 I have worked many cases unresolved among other things. 535 00:25:25,562 --> 00:25:27,062 There are a couple of questions What do I have to do to you? 536 00:25:27,131 --> 00:25:29,031 -STEPHEN: Sure. -BRUCE: Just for the record 537 00:25:29,100 --> 00:25:30,199 -on the record here. -Yeah. 538 00:25:30,268 --> 00:25:32,233 -Did you kill your sister? -No. 539 00:25:32,302 --> 00:25:33,603 Do you know who killed your sister? 540 00:25:33,672 --> 00:25:34,636 PRIVATE INVESTIGATOR 541 00:25:34,705 --> 00:25:35,937 STEPHEN: I think. that my father did it. 542 00:25:36,006 --> 00:25:38,373 Tell us a little about your father 543 00:25:38,442 --> 00:25:41,643 Suffer from stress disorder post-traumatic Vietnam. 544 00:25:41,712 --> 00:25:44,346 He has a very bad temper, can be violent. 545 00:25:44,415 --> 00:25:46,248 BRUCE: Have you ever Did he spank you? 546 00:25:46,317 --> 00:25:47,516 Or worse, yes. 547 00:25:47,585 --> 00:25:48,784 What do you mean "or worse"? 548 00:25:48,853 --> 00:25:51,353 Hit, kick, choke. 549 00:25:51,422 --> 00:25:53,856 BRUCE: What do you most Did your father bother you? 550 00:25:53,925 --> 00:25:56,125 STEPHEN: In that situation with my sister, 551 00:25:56,194 --> 00:25:58,026 that night alone I was being disrespectful 552 00:25:58,095 --> 00:26:00,396 and if she had been upset with him... 553 00:26:00,465 --> 00:26:01,930 well... 554 00:26:01,999 --> 00:26:04,567 It was February, and he was an accountant 555 00:26:04,636 --> 00:26:05,867 during tax season 556 00:26:05,936 --> 00:26:09,604 I must have been working 120 hours a week. 557 00:26:09,673 --> 00:26:11,843 why are you so consumed by this? 558 00:26:12,711 --> 00:26:14,104 STEPHEN: Because it's the right thing to do. 559 00:26:14,173 --> 00:26:16,945 And she deserves better. 560 00:26:17,014 --> 00:26:21,616 This is getting to the point. in which probably 561 00:26:21,685 --> 00:26:24,787 -someone speaks or admits something. -TRUE. 562 00:26:24,856 --> 00:26:28,190 Would your mom be open to an interview? 563 00:26:28,259 --> 00:26:29,258 I bet he would. 564 00:26:29,327 --> 00:26:32,662 I can tell you this, there are a couple of suspects 565 00:26:32,731 --> 00:26:34,366 outside the family. 566 00:26:35,032 --> 00:26:35,965 The groom, 567 00:26:36,034 --> 00:26:39,101 and there was a guy whom she cared for, 568 00:26:39,170 --> 00:26:41,371 I think your name It was Hendrix or something. 569 00:26:41,440 --> 00:26:43,205 -Yeah. -And that guy 570 00:26:43,274 --> 00:26:44,840 He had a bad record. 571 00:26:44,909 --> 00:26:47,743 In fact, he was arrested for some kidnappings 572 00:26:47,812 --> 00:26:50,379 -and other things later. -Yeah. 573 00:26:50,448 --> 00:26:54,149 What I can't understand is the note. 574 00:26:54,218 --> 00:26:56,317 Who is this mysterious man who wrote the letter? 575 00:26:56,386 --> 00:26:59,554 None of his friends know nothing about this man 576 00:26:59,623 --> 00:27:01,756 -who is like "a dad to me." -That's how it is. 577 00:27:01,825 --> 00:27:04,760 But nobody knows, not even his best friends know it. 578 00:27:04,829 --> 00:27:07,429 -STEPHEN: Yes. -And then they try 579 00:27:07,498 --> 00:27:09,499 to imitate the letter 580 00:27:09,568 --> 00:27:11,433 and personal information. 581 00:27:11,502 --> 00:27:13,235 Look, you're running away from home, okay? 582 00:27:13,304 --> 00:27:15,003 STEPHEN: Yes. That's right. And you don't take anything. 583 00:27:15,072 --> 00:27:16,804 -And you don't take anything. -STEPHEN: Absolutely nothing. 584 00:27:16,873 --> 00:27:18,873 Who gives a shit that some money 585 00:27:18,942 --> 00:27:22,110 go to your account or cancel appointments with your doctor? 586 00:27:22,179 --> 00:27:24,440 I mean, if something It doesn't seem right, 587 00:27:24,509 --> 00:27:25,914 -It's not. -STEPHEN: That's right. That's how it is. 588 00:27:25,983 --> 00:27:27,650 -Know? -BRUCE: It has to make sense. 589 00:27:27,719 --> 00:27:28,951 It has to make sense. 590 00:27:29,020 --> 00:27:32,154 ♪ (SOMB MUSIC PLAYS) ♪ 591 00:27:32,223 --> 00:27:34,522 MARGIE, ACTRESS: "Dear Mr. and Mrs. Pandos..." 592 00:27:34,591 --> 00:27:37,592 "Your daughter is with me. She's fine. 593 00:27:37,661 --> 00:27:40,195 However, it is having some problems. 594 00:27:40,264 --> 00:27:43,564 It takes a while away from that place." 595 00:27:43,633 --> 00:27:45,267 ♪ (SOMB MUSIC CONCLUDES) ♪ 596 00:27:45,336 --> 00:27:47,102 PRODUCER: Have you seen that before, Karen? 597 00:27:47,171 --> 00:27:49,308 I had never seen her physically... 598 00:27:51,410 --> 00:27:52,340 but... 599 00:27:52,409 --> 00:27:54,609 It's strange how it starts 600 00:27:54,678 --> 00:27:58,951 with "Mr. and Mrs. Pandos", and then there are quotes. 601 00:28:00,719 --> 00:28:02,818 STEPHEN: If Jennifer wrote it, 602 00:28:02,887 --> 00:28:04,486 Why would I dictate this? 603 00:28:04,555 --> 00:28:06,522 -to another person to... -True. 604 00:28:06,591 --> 00:28:07,756 ...to write it? 605 00:28:07,825 --> 00:28:09,792 But also in the form How do I see this? 606 00:28:09,861 --> 00:28:11,860 There is a lot of scratched text. 607 00:28:11,929 --> 00:28:13,862 STEPHEN: That's right. They were trying to invent 608 00:28:13,931 --> 00:28:15,564 a story on the fly. 609 00:28:15,633 --> 00:28:16,999 -Yes that's how it is. -Whatever it is 610 00:28:17,068 --> 00:28:18,566 that has ended up happening. 611 00:28:18,635 --> 00:28:21,202 And they were trying to rebuild this. 612 00:28:21,271 --> 00:28:24,672 The premise that an adult is going to someone's house 613 00:28:24,741 --> 00:28:27,943 in the middle of the night to help escape 614 00:28:28,012 --> 00:28:30,215 to a person in Kingsmill, from all places. 615 00:28:31,215 --> 00:28:32,047 You understand? 616 00:28:32,116 --> 00:28:35,354 ♪ (INTRIGING MUSIC PLAYS) ♪ 617 00:28:36,488 --> 00:28:37,756 It's crazy. 618 00:28:40,624 --> 00:28:43,158 This was the main thing for me. This note. 619 00:28:43,227 --> 00:28:44,893 FORMER STATE POLICE FROM VIRGINIA 620 00:28:44,962 --> 00:28:47,857 KENNETH MORRIS: My name. It's Kenneth Morris and they called me 621 00:28:47,926 --> 00:28:50,431 as a criminal profiler Virginia State Police. 622 00:28:50,500 --> 00:28:54,570 As a profiler, what I do is to go to the crime scene 623 00:28:54,639 --> 00:28:56,104 and I tell the researchers 624 00:28:56,173 --> 00:28:59,440 what kind of personality committed this crime. 625 00:28:59,509 --> 00:29:03,411 In this case, of course that there was no crime scene. 626 00:29:03,480 --> 00:29:07,916 I looked at the letter I had left in his room 627 00:29:07,985 --> 00:29:10,318 and when reading it, I was able to create a profile. 628 00:29:10,387 --> 00:29:13,055 There is an intimate knowledge contained in that note. 629 00:29:13,124 --> 00:29:15,022 medical appointments, bank accounts, 630 00:29:15,091 --> 00:29:17,860 things that only Jennifer or anyone who knows Jennifer 631 00:29:17,929 --> 00:29:20,529 would be familiar. It's more or less... 632 00:29:20,598 --> 00:29:23,264 "I'm leaving with a father figure. 633 00:29:23,333 --> 00:29:26,869 I will return. I will get in touch with you in a few days." 634 00:29:26,938 --> 00:29:29,938 It is written to delay the investigation. 635 00:29:30,007 --> 00:29:31,273 It's not realistic. 636 00:29:31,342 --> 00:29:34,410 It's something you can see in Nancy Drew 637 00:29:34,479 --> 00:29:36,678 or Murder, She Wrote. 638 00:29:36,747 --> 00:29:39,180 STEPHEN: When I spoke with Ken Morris, 639 00:29:39,249 --> 00:29:42,678 said it was a of the most ridiculous things 640 00:29:42,747 --> 00:29:44,419 that I had seen in law enforcement 641 00:29:44,488 --> 00:29:46,956 and that was consistent with a staging, 642 00:29:47,025 --> 00:29:49,394 which I totally believe. 643 00:29:50,027 --> 00:29:52,061 I better put on my glasses. 644 00:29:52,130 --> 00:29:53,561 "The delivery of a note in one case 645 00:29:53,630 --> 00:29:56,865 of missing person It's unusual. Generally, 646 00:29:56,934 --> 00:29:58,599 its only purpose is to explain the disappearance." 647 00:29:58,668 --> 00:30:00,802 EVALUATION OF THE DECLARATION FROM JENNIFER'S NOTE 648 00:30:00,871 --> 00:30:02,303 "If the absence it is by force, 649 00:30:02,372 --> 00:30:05,574 the message will be a demand of some kind of rescue 650 00:30:05,643 --> 00:30:06,809 or necessary action 651 00:30:06,878 --> 00:30:08,510 for safe return of the victim". 652 00:30:08,579 --> 00:30:10,713 -♪ (SINEST MUSIC PLAYS) ♪ -"Mr. and Mrs. Pandos, 653 00:30:10,782 --> 00:30:12,781 His daughter is with me. "She's fine." 654 00:30:12,850 --> 00:30:14,582 KENNETH MORRIS: I think that Jennifer 655 00:30:14,651 --> 00:30:17,285 had nothing to do with it with the creation of the letter. 656 00:30:17,354 --> 00:30:20,455 It's strange that a teenager run away from home 657 00:30:20,524 --> 00:30:23,328 without prior warning of his intentions. 658 00:30:24,361 --> 00:30:25,427 The uncomfortable wording 659 00:30:25,496 --> 00:30:27,429 and the use of quotations suggest 660 00:30:27,498 --> 00:30:29,798 that Jennifer's contribution was void 661 00:30:29,867 --> 00:30:31,870 during writing of the letter. 662 00:30:33,337 --> 00:30:36,271 There is no evidence for the affirmation of a devout stranger. 663 00:30:36,340 --> 00:30:38,607 No close friends I knew this man 664 00:30:38,676 --> 00:30:41,977 and the writing style suggests a distant writer, 665 00:30:42,046 --> 00:30:44,412 emotionally detached and loveless. 666 00:30:44,481 --> 00:30:47,016 The inclusion of information staff in the menu 667 00:30:47,085 --> 00:30:49,251 suggests that the writer had a relationship 668 00:30:49,320 --> 00:30:51,452 extremely close with Jennifer. 669 00:30:51,521 --> 00:30:54,657 Therefore, It can be said that the letter 670 00:30:54,726 --> 00:30:56,391 It is an instrument created 671 00:30:56,460 --> 00:30:59,461 to facilitate a scene of the planned crime. 672 00:30:59,530 --> 00:31:02,865 Based on this premise, his most plausible offender 673 00:31:02,934 --> 00:31:06,005 It would be one or both parents. 674 00:31:08,907 --> 00:31:10,671 WENDI: In August 2007 675 00:31:10,740 --> 00:31:14,444 we send the note to him handwriting analysis. 676 00:31:14,513 --> 00:31:15,945 Jennifer, Ron, 677 00:31:16,014 --> 00:31:18,747 and another individual They were discarded. 678 00:31:18,816 --> 00:31:21,644 Margie, the mother, was not eliminated 679 00:31:21,713 --> 00:31:24,223 as the one responsible of that letter. 680 00:31:25,884 --> 00:31:28,123 KAREN LICHTIN: What are your thoughts 681 00:31:28,192 --> 00:31:29,725 about all this? 682 00:31:29,794 --> 00:31:32,597 (DOUBT) I think my father... 683 00:31:34,098 --> 00:31:35,965 He basically threatened my mother. 684 00:31:36,034 --> 00:31:38,503 -And he forced her to write it. -And he forced her to write it. 685 00:31:40,972 --> 00:31:45,006 As a researcher, I feel this is the key 686 00:31:45,075 --> 00:31:48,343 of the entire case, and that this note 687 00:31:48,412 --> 00:31:52,384 is what it will take for this case to be resolved. 688 00:31:53,284 --> 00:31:56,484 Even in the notes of suicide, 689 00:31:56,553 --> 00:31:59,658 like I was committing suicide and leave a note here, 690 00:32:00,725 --> 00:32:03,559 The police come in, take the note, 691 00:32:03,628 --> 00:32:05,160 places it in plastic 692 00:32:05,229 --> 00:32:08,459 where can protect her of any fingerprint. 693 00:32:08,528 --> 00:32:09,998 They make a copy of the note 694 00:32:10,067 --> 00:32:11,900 and leaves it in the file. 695 00:32:11,969 --> 00:32:14,302 and the original note It is kept as evidence. 696 00:32:14,371 --> 00:32:17,576 ♪ (INTRIGING MUSIC PLAYS) ♪ 697 00:32:19,509 --> 00:32:21,042 PRODUCER: What went through your mind 698 00:32:21,111 --> 00:32:22,714 when margie Did he show you the note? 699 00:32:23,482 --> 00:32:24,246 I couldn't believe it. 700 00:32:24,315 --> 00:32:27,416 I didn't believe that note still existed. 701 00:32:27,485 --> 00:32:30,152 The former researcher who worked on this case 702 00:32:30,221 --> 00:32:34,222 He said the original note was in the original case file 703 00:32:34,291 --> 00:32:36,624 and that he had never returned it to the Pandos family. 704 00:32:36,693 --> 00:32:39,795 There was no logical reason why Margie 705 00:32:39,864 --> 00:32:41,096 I should have had it, 706 00:32:41,165 --> 00:32:44,136 so when he gave it to me, I was surprised. 707 00:32:45,269 --> 00:32:47,837 DONNIE: One of the mysteries of this case 708 00:32:47,906 --> 00:32:49,605 is the missing file. 709 00:32:49,674 --> 00:32:51,040 In 2006, 710 00:32:51,109 --> 00:32:54,943 there were two detectives assigned to the unsolved case, 711 00:32:55,012 --> 00:32:57,880 and that was the researcher Wendi Reed 712 00:32:57,949 --> 00:33:00,048 and Sergeant Jeff Vellines. 713 00:33:00,117 --> 00:33:02,585 I guess Jeff contacted Margie, 714 00:33:02,654 --> 00:33:04,085 and Margie, somehow, 715 00:33:04,154 --> 00:33:06,455 had located a set of dental records, 716 00:33:06,524 --> 00:33:08,952 that supposedly were delivered, 717 00:33:09,021 --> 00:33:12,327 according to the dentist, to James City police. 718 00:33:12,396 --> 00:33:14,296 So those there are two articles 719 00:33:14,365 --> 00:33:17,694 that were initially in possession of the police. 720 00:33:17,763 --> 00:33:21,169 and I came to believe What Jeff thought: 721 00:33:21,238 --> 00:33:22,870 "What the hell is going on? 722 00:33:22,939 --> 00:33:26,842 How the hell is this coming evidence from our files 723 00:33:26,911 --> 00:33:29,178 to the family?" 724 00:33:29,247 --> 00:33:31,213 -Hello how are you? -JEFF VELLINES: Hello, how are you? 725 00:33:31,282 --> 00:33:32,648 -Good. Jeff? -Good. 726 00:33:32,717 --> 00:33:33,548 Jeff, Jeff Vellines. 727 00:33:33,617 --> 00:33:35,217 DONNIE: Hi, Jeff. I'm Donnie Norrell. 728 00:33:35,286 --> 00:33:38,186 Nice to meet you, Donnie. Let's go in. 729 00:33:38,255 --> 00:33:41,857 As far as I know, you accepted this case like an unsolved case. 730 00:33:41,926 --> 00:33:43,258 RESEARCHER IN THE PANDOS CASE 731 00:33:43,327 --> 00:33:45,327 It was not the investigator original in it, right? 732 00:33:45,396 --> 00:33:47,395 That's how it is. We start the process 733 00:33:47,464 --> 00:33:50,165 research of unsolved cases. 734 00:33:50,234 --> 00:33:53,472 At that moment, I needed the file, 735 00:33:54,405 --> 00:33:55,571 and... 736 00:33:55,640 --> 00:33:57,305 we didn't have it. 737 00:33:57,374 --> 00:33:59,774 That worried me a lot. I have no doubts, 738 00:33:59,843 --> 00:34:02,677 the file disappeared of the police department. 739 00:34:02,746 --> 00:34:05,346 But when Margie showed dental records... 740 00:34:05,415 --> 00:34:07,282 -VELLINES: Correct. -...you knew it at that moment. 741 00:34:07,351 --> 00:34:09,617 Correct. If I remember correctly, I thought: 742 00:34:09,686 --> 00:34:12,287 "It's okay. This is my probable cause 743 00:34:12,356 --> 00:34:13,989 -that could work." -Clear. Clear. 744 00:34:14,058 --> 00:34:15,924 I made a call to the prosecutor's office 745 00:34:15,993 --> 00:34:17,826 of the Commonwealth of Virginia, 746 00:34:17,895 --> 00:34:20,728 and I said, "I think we have sufficient probable cause 747 00:34:20,797 --> 00:34:23,899 to obtain an order registration for your home. 748 00:34:23,968 --> 00:34:26,034 Because we have dental records, 749 00:34:26,103 --> 00:34:28,003 We have this and we have that," 750 00:34:28,072 --> 00:34:29,204 and they denied it to me. 751 00:34:29,273 --> 00:34:31,373 What would you have looked for? 752 00:34:31,442 --> 00:34:33,108 I would have searched the case file. 753 00:34:33,177 --> 00:34:35,044 DONNIE: Okay. 754 00:34:35,113 --> 00:34:38,580 And do you think she possessed the case file? 755 00:34:38,649 --> 00:34:39,581 I think so. 756 00:34:39,650 --> 00:34:42,418 Did you ever find the original file? 757 00:34:42,487 --> 00:34:44,152 No. 758 00:34:44,221 --> 00:34:45,716 -Well, thanks again. -Yes sir. 759 00:34:45,785 --> 00:34:46,654 -I apreciate it. -Thank you. 760 00:34:46,723 --> 00:34:48,223 -Pleased to meet you. -The pleasure was mine. 761 00:34:48,292 --> 00:34:49,290 ♪ (TENSION MUSIC) ♪ 762 00:34:49,359 --> 00:34:50,829 VELLINES: I'll walk you out. 763 00:34:52,629 --> 00:34:55,263 DONNIE: Talking. with Sergeant Vellines, 764 00:34:55,332 --> 00:34:57,698 we both had a little suspicion 765 00:34:57,767 --> 00:35:02,604 that something disastrous could have happened to the file, 766 00:35:02,673 --> 00:35:04,743 and his theory was 767 00:35:05,309 --> 00:35:07,575 that Ron was a friend 768 00:35:07,644 --> 00:35:10,679 of the security chief of Kingsmill, 769 00:35:10,748 --> 00:35:13,081 and that's where Ron lived at that time. 770 00:35:13,150 --> 00:35:15,284 And the boss's wife security 771 00:35:15,353 --> 00:35:16,851 she was actually a secretary 772 00:35:16,920 --> 00:35:19,989 from the police department of James City County. 773 00:35:20,058 --> 00:35:22,257 They thought they had done some agreement 774 00:35:22,326 --> 00:35:25,360 between the three so that she get the file 775 00:35:25,429 --> 00:35:27,897 and will remove it from the police department 776 00:35:27,966 --> 00:35:30,132 so that Ron could really see 777 00:35:30,201 --> 00:35:33,434 what the police knew and had it on file. 778 00:35:33,503 --> 00:35:36,938 But there is no doubt that Nancy took that case file 779 00:35:37,007 --> 00:35:40,909 and she gave it to her husband and he He gave it to... what's his name? 780 00:35:40,978 --> 00:35:42,411 -To Ron. -DONNIE: Mm-mm. 781 00:35:42,480 --> 00:35:44,513 I have no doubt at all. 782 00:35:44,582 --> 00:35:47,182 And Margie, yes, she is lying. 783 00:35:47,251 --> 00:35:50,418 And I discussed that with the prosecutor. of the commonwealth. 784 00:35:50,487 --> 00:35:52,749 I told him, "Look, I got the note, 785 00:35:52,818 --> 00:35:54,156 I got the dental records. 786 00:35:54,225 --> 00:35:56,358 she knows things that were in that file." 787 00:35:56,427 --> 00:35:59,160 And Margie, yes, is lying for him. 788 00:35:59,229 --> 00:36:01,700 I have no doubt about that. 789 00:36:06,437 --> 00:36:08,836 ♪ (MUSIC CONCLUDES) ♪ 790 00:36:08,905 --> 00:36:13,108 PRODUCER: Margie, when you called the police, 791 00:36:13,177 --> 00:36:15,447 what did they do initially? 792 00:36:15,880 --> 00:36:17,112 Nothing. 793 00:36:17,181 --> 00:36:20,816 Nothing I can say for us. You already know. 794 00:36:20,885 --> 00:36:21,954 Ah... 795 00:36:23,653 --> 00:36:26,188 PRODUCER: It's a little difficult fit the pieces 796 00:36:26,257 --> 00:36:29,591 because it's missing the original case file. 797 00:36:29,660 --> 00:36:32,728 Well, speculation Ron has it 798 00:36:32,797 --> 00:36:34,162 or had it, 799 00:36:34,231 --> 00:36:36,631 and I've never known him to throw anything away, 800 00:36:36,700 --> 00:36:39,502 so maybe still have it somewhere. 801 00:36:39,571 --> 00:36:42,671 I've never found it here. 802 00:36:42,740 --> 00:36:48,411 PRODUCER: Why would I have it? Do you have a theory about it? 803 00:36:48,480 --> 00:36:51,951 Mm. No, I don't have it. 804 00:36:53,585 --> 00:36:54,719 Ah... 805 00:36:56,087 --> 00:36:57,756 It's, you know... 806 00:37:01,625 --> 00:37:04,496 speculation that he killed her. 807 00:37:05,730 --> 00:37:07,462 Oh, and... 808 00:37:07,531 --> 00:37:11,366 and if it did, I guess it is because he wanted it that way, 809 00:37:11,435 --> 00:37:14,570 to see if they, you know, 810 00:37:14,639 --> 00:37:17,376 They saw him as a suspect. 811 00:37:21,078 --> 00:37:24,316 ♪ (SOFT MUSIC PLAYS) ♪ 812 00:37:49,406 --> 00:37:50,838 ♪ (SOFT MUSIC CONCLUDES) ♪ 813 00:37:50,907 --> 00:37:52,775 -Hello, Stephen, how are you? -Hello, Wendi. Good. 814 00:37:52,844 --> 00:37:55,510 -I'm glad to see you. -Good. Me to you too. 815 00:37:55,579 --> 00:37:57,712 They just asked me a couple of weeks ago 816 00:37:57,781 --> 00:38:00,148 what has been my greatest professional regret, 817 00:38:00,217 --> 00:38:03,284 and this is the case, because it drives me crazy 818 00:38:03,353 --> 00:38:05,387 that we have not been able to take it 819 00:38:05,456 --> 00:38:07,189 to any type of resolution. 820 00:38:07,258 --> 00:38:09,724 My opinion is that my father is responsible. 821 00:38:09,793 --> 00:38:13,295 And I think my mother He knows more than he says. 822 00:38:13,364 --> 00:38:14,629 I think the evidence 823 00:38:14,698 --> 00:38:16,932 definitely point in that direction. 824 00:38:17,001 --> 00:38:20,068 And I think your mom It's going to be the key to it. 825 00:38:20,137 --> 00:38:21,302 -She's going to be... -It will be difficult. 826 00:38:21,371 --> 00:38:23,004 ...what is going to say what happened 827 00:38:23,073 --> 00:38:24,472 She is the weakest link. 828 00:38:24,541 --> 00:38:27,142 Do you have any objection why talk to her? 829 00:38:27,211 --> 00:38:28,677 No. It is not my case. 830 00:38:28,746 --> 00:38:31,780 Your mom would never contact me. 831 00:38:31,849 --> 00:38:34,749 I can't remember that he called me 832 00:38:34,818 --> 00:38:37,018 or that he has sent me an email first. 833 00:38:37,087 --> 00:38:38,419 It was always me who looked for her. 834 00:38:38,488 --> 00:38:41,256 Your father, on the other hand, I was always looking 835 00:38:41,325 --> 00:38:43,325 what was happening with the case, 836 00:38:43,394 --> 00:38:46,161 almost as if it were trying to get in 837 00:38:46,230 --> 00:38:47,395 in the investigation. 838 00:38:47,464 --> 00:38:49,097 If you came back to the case now, 839 00:38:49,166 --> 00:38:50,499 what would you do? 840 00:38:50,568 --> 00:38:54,269 Those woods behind the house, I would explore them a little more. 841 00:38:54,338 --> 00:38:56,271 We have some photos of the house. 842 00:38:56,340 --> 00:38:57,372 DONNIE: Is this water? 843 00:38:57,441 --> 00:38:59,207 STEPHEN: Yes. It's the mill pond. 844 00:38:59,276 --> 00:39:02,581 ♪ (TENSION MUSIC PLAYS) ♪ 845 00:39:08,752 --> 00:39:10,522 PRODUCER: Where do you think it is? 846 00:39:12,456 --> 00:39:15,560 MARGIE: I don't know. The police asked me that 847 00:39:16,327 --> 00:39:18,593 and I told them that in the river, 848 00:39:18,662 --> 00:39:21,330 in the pond or on the train tracks. 849 00:39:21,399 --> 00:39:22,667 And... 850 00:39:25,102 --> 00:39:26,671 I don't know who put it there. 851 00:39:28,907 --> 00:39:31,740 DONNIE: Your mother He named three places. 852 00:39:31,809 --> 00:39:34,642 said something on some train tracks, 853 00:39:34,711 --> 00:39:39,449 and I think that was another moment in which he almost says 854 00:39:39,518 --> 00:39:41,550 where they took the body. 855 00:39:41,619 --> 00:39:44,485 Do you agree with the fact that your mother 856 00:39:44,554 --> 00:39:47,756 could be involved in this like your father? 857 00:39:47,825 --> 00:39:49,258 No, I don't agree with that. 858 00:39:49,327 --> 00:39:50,893 Do you want to know the truth? 859 00:39:50,962 --> 00:39:52,227 I want to know the truth, 860 00:39:52,296 --> 00:39:54,463 but I don't think my mother... 861 00:39:54,532 --> 00:39:56,565 I think she know what happened 862 00:39:56,634 --> 00:39:59,367 and I think my father scared her, 863 00:39:59,436 --> 00:40:02,371 and threatened her to keep this a secret. 864 00:40:02,440 --> 00:40:04,405 And it was a bad decision 865 00:40:04,474 --> 00:40:06,741 that has become in a catastrophe. 866 00:40:06,810 --> 00:40:10,379 When was the last time What did you talk about with your mother? 867 00:40:10,448 --> 00:40:14,015 probably at my grandmother's funeral 868 00:40:14,084 --> 00:40:14,950 several years ago. 869 00:40:15,019 --> 00:40:17,252 -DONNIE: And you live... -20 minutes from it. 870 00:40:17,321 --> 00:40:18,620 ...20 minutes from it. 871 00:40:18,689 --> 00:40:21,356 Have you had any telephone conversation? 872 00:40:21,425 --> 00:40:24,026 -Have you seen your daughters? -No. 873 00:40:24,095 --> 00:40:25,797 Not since the funeral. Just... 874 00:40:26,398 --> 00:40:28,731 I, you know, don't... 875 00:40:28,800 --> 00:40:31,567 I can't agree with the farce. 876 00:40:31,636 --> 00:40:35,435 ♪ (REFLECTIVE MUSIC PLAYS) ♪ 877 00:40:50,121 --> 00:40:51,920 STEPHEN: After that my sister disappeared, 878 00:40:51,989 --> 00:40:54,023 asked questions from time to time. 879 00:40:54,092 --> 00:40:56,225 I remember asking him to my mother 880 00:40:56,294 --> 00:40:57,525 much more than my father 881 00:40:57,594 --> 00:40:59,061 and receive a: "We still don't know anything." 882 00:40:59,130 --> 00:40:59,995 Or that kind of answer. 883 00:41:00,064 --> 00:41:03,599 That changed the day Christmas 2008. 884 00:41:03,668 --> 00:41:04,967 I entered my mother's house 885 00:41:05,036 --> 00:41:07,502 and I knew you would ask me If I would call my father, 886 00:41:07,571 --> 00:41:09,637 because we were just talking three times a year: 887 00:41:09,706 --> 00:41:11,907 on your birthday, on Father's Day, and at Christmas. 888 00:41:11,976 --> 00:41:13,742 My parents already had divorced for a long time 889 00:41:13,811 --> 00:41:15,276 by then. And he told me: 890 00:41:15,345 --> 00:41:16,611 "I don't want to ruin your Christmas, 891 00:41:16,680 --> 00:41:19,982 but your father is a criminal convicted in jail 892 00:41:20,051 --> 00:41:21,884 and he remarried two years ago." 893 00:41:21,953 --> 00:41:26,321 Needless to say... that I didn't know anything about that. 894 00:41:26,390 --> 00:41:30,192 WENDI: In 2008, Ron Pandos He was in jail in Oklahoma. 895 00:41:30,261 --> 00:41:33,095 He had opened six accounts banking for players 896 00:41:33,164 --> 00:41:36,799 of the NFL, and embezzled more than 54 thousand dollars. 897 00:41:36,868 --> 00:41:38,500 He had pleaded guilty 898 00:41:38,569 --> 00:41:40,335 and then raped his parole 899 00:41:40,404 --> 00:41:41,970 by possessing firearms. 900 00:41:42,039 --> 00:41:44,073 STEPHEN: And it didn't take long. after that 901 00:41:44,142 --> 00:41:46,575 for Wendi Reed to come and asked him some questions 902 00:41:46,644 --> 00:41:50,612 to my mother about Jennifer, and she asked me 903 00:41:50,681 --> 00:41:54,549 if I would be there, and I said, "Sure." 904 00:41:54,618 --> 00:41:55,918 Then Wendy he asked my mother 905 00:41:55,987 --> 00:41:57,252 to do a test polygraph 906 00:41:57,321 --> 00:41:59,655 and that was the first moment really strange 907 00:41:59,724 --> 00:42:00,956 that he had with me. 908 00:42:01,025 --> 00:42:03,559 When Wendy he asked my mother, 909 00:42:03,628 --> 00:42:05,460 she looked to the left 910 00:42:05,529 --> 00:42:07,866 while I thought in anything 911 00:42:08,432 --> 00:42:09,697 and I answered for her: 912 00:42:09,766 --> 00:42:11,967 "Yes, of course it will take the polygraph test. 913 00:42:12,036 --> 00:42:15,207 -(BIRDS SINGING) -(DISTANT BARKS) 914 00:42:16,673 --> 00:42:18,706 WENDI: At this stage of the research, 915 00:42:18,775 --> 00:42:21,276 we were given permission to bring sniffer dogs 916 00:42:21,345 --> 00:42:23,745 that could detect human decomposition. 917 00:42:23,814 --> 00:42:26,614 Initially, they toured the exterior of the residence 918 00:42:26,683 --> 00:42:30,252 and showed interest in the lower part of the house. 919 00:42:30,321 --> 00:42:31,586 We dug several holes. 920 00:42:31,655 --> 00:42:33,922 We couldn't find human remains. 921 00:42:33,991 --> 00:42:38,026 According to dog trainers, That indicated the possibility 922 00:42:38,095 --> 00:42:42,531 that a body was there, but he was not buried there. 923 00:42:42,600 --> 00:42:45,166 After that, the secret service 924 00:42:45,235 --> 00:42:48,170 performed an examination polygraph to Margie. 925 00:42:48,239 --> 00:42:51,239 I decided to apply the lie detector 926 00:42:51,308 --> 00:42:53,145 and I failed miserably. 927 00:42:53,811 --> 00:42:55,314 One hundred percent of... 928 00:42:57,015 --> 00:42:58,147 failure. 929 00:42:58,216 --> 00:43:03,151 What convinced him even more that he was protecting Ron. 930 00:43:03,220 --> 00:43:06,358 I couldn't believe it. How could a polygraph fail? 931 00:43:06,991 --> 00:43:09,290 I investigated a little more, 932 00:43:09,359 --> 00:43:11,826 and I knew that when my parents They moved from Williamsburg, 933 00:43:11,895 --> 00:43:14,162 They didn't call to update contact information 934 00:43:14,231 --> 00:43:16,899 with the police department for two and a half years. 935 00:43:16,968 --> 00:43:19,000 Why didn't they do it? 936 00:43:19,069 --> 00:43:22,703 After that, I thought: "This could show 937 00:43:22,772 --> 00:43:24,840 that actually my parents are involved 938 00:43:24,909 --> 00:43:26,678 in the disappearance of my sister." 939 00:43:32,611 --> 00:43:35,754 NARRATOR: Lumberton, North Carolina. 940 00:43:36,887 --> 00:43:38,520 SUSAN DAVIS: Very good. 941 00:43:38,589 --> 00:43:40,455 MILDRED 'MIMI' ROBERTS: Do you have eggs? 942 00:43:40,524 --> 00:43:42,657 Oh, my God. Yes, I have balls. 943 00:43:42,726 --> 00:43:43,993 MILDRED: I didn't know. that you put egg 944 00:43:44,062 --> 00:43:47,266 to the potato salad. Where did you learn that? 945 00:43:48,199 --> 00:43:49,732 I was 17 years old when that happened. 946 00:43:49,801 --> 00:43:50,866 MARGIE PANDOS' SISTER 947 00:43:50,935 --> 00:43:52,101 So all I know 948 00:43:52,170 --> 00:43:53,801 that's what they told me as an adult, 949 00:43:53,870 --> 00:43:57,572 which was probably only in the last 15 years, 950 00:43:57,641 --> 00:43:59,341 because it was something what was not talked about. 951 00:43:59,410 --> 00:44:03,513 I received the call, I had missing for a month 952 00:44:03,582 --> 00:44:04,647 It's what I remember. 953 00:44:04,716 --> 00:44:05,914 MARGIE PANDOS' SISTER 954 00:44:05,983 --> 00:44:11,856 And very calmly, Without hysteria, without panic, he said: 955 00:44:13,890 --> 00:44:17,729 "Jenny is gone. She is missing Have you seen her?" 956 00:44:20,799 --> 00:44:22,230 (IN A BROKEN VOICE) Shouldn't it be 957 00:44:22,299 --> 00:44:25,367 a hysterical mother showing concern? 958 00:44:25,436 --> 00:44:28,908 -(ENGINE ROAR) -♪ (SOMB MUSIC PLAYS) ♪ 959 00:44:31,742 --> 00:44:34,477 STEPHEN: After my mother failed the polygraph, 960 00:44:34,546 --> 00:44:36,344 I called his sisters 961 00:44:36,413 --> 00:44:38,814 to be able to speak with all of them at the same time 962 00:44:38,883 --> 00:44:41,050 and tell them what was happening. 963 00:44:41,119 --> 00:44:43,752 Then they came to Charlotte the weekend, 964 00:44:43,821 --> 00:44:45,286 as a family intervention, 965 00:44:45,355 --> 00:44:49,658 and my mother didn't have one good story on the subject. 966 00:44:49,727 --> 00:44:50,959 MARGIE PANDOS' SISTER 967 00:44:51,028 --> 00:44:52,394 MILDRED: After speaking with Margie that night 968 00:44:52,463 --> 00:44:55,864 at home about what supposedly happened, 969 00:44:55,933 --> 00:44:57,933 and all I could say was: 970 00:44:58,002 --> 00:45:00,372 "I am very sorry for this situation." 971 00:45:04,975 --> 00:45:08,914 What should we think? Did you hear what was happening? 972 00:45:09,547 --> 00:45:12,047 The hypothetical fight. 973 00:45:12,116 --> 00:45:13,953 It was like he knew too much. 974 00:45:15,153 --> 00:45:17,752 And Stephen came the next day 975 00:45:17,821 --> 00:45:20,355 and that ended up being a scream fest 976 00:45:20,424 --> 00:45:22,761 and we got nowhere. 977 00:45:24,361 --> 00:45:27,696 I knew there was tension on that side of the family. 978 00:45:27,765 --> 00:45:33,235 I saw an incident... and it was in 1996. 979 00:45:33,304 --> 00:45:34,803 Ron hit Margie, 980 00:45:34,872 --> 00:45:37,507 and that was the first time I saw 981 00:45:37,576 --> 00:45:39,975 violence... physical. 982 00:45:40,044 --> 00:45:42,678 It is difficult to understand the level 983 00:45:42,747 --> 00:45:44,046 emotional abuse 984 00:45:44,115 --> 00:45:47,377 under which Margie had been all those years 985 00:45:47,446 --> 00:45:49,218 so that defend this man 986 00:45:49,287 --> 00:45:50,485 before his daughter. 987 00:45:50,554 --> 00:45:53,921 That's why I don't understand Why don't you rat out Ronnie. 988 00:45:53,990 --> 00:45:58,494 You know, if Jenny is gone, why not give him away? 989 00:45:58,563 --> 00:46:01,761 ♪ (MUSIC CONCLUDES) ♪ 990 00:46:02,867 --> 00:46:04,033 (KNOCKS ON DOOR) 991 00:46:04,102 --> 00:46:05,601 MELISSA MCMAHAN: So here you are. 992 00:46:05,670 --> 00:46:06,939 Hello. 993 00:46:08,105 --> 00:46:10,338 Mm, I'm fine. I'm fine. 994 00:46:10,407 --> 00:46:12,841 SUSAN: Ready to eat? Are you hungry? 995 00:46:12,910 --> 00:46:14,443 STEPHEN: It seems that everything I remember 996 00:46:14,512 --> 00:46:16,812 -it is eating at the table as a child. -(ALL LAUGH) 997 00:46:16,881 --> 00:46:18,581 MILDRED: Child's table. 998 00:46:18,650 --> 00:46:20,583 Can we ask you... 999 00:46:20,652 --> 00:46:22,685 what do your daughters know? 1000 00:46:22,754 --> 00:46:26,055 They don't know any details, at all. 1001 00:46:26,124 --> 00:46:28,356 You know about Jennifer, that is missing. 1002 00:46:28,425 --> 00:46:30,826 have they asked Why don't you see grandma? 1003 00:46:30,895 --> 00:46:32,194 STEPHEN: Yes, and I just told you 1004 00:46:32,263 --> 00:46:34,897 I have a disagreement with my mother. 1005 00:46:34,966 --> 00:46:37,567 After we went to charlotte 1006 00:46:37,636 --> 00:46:38,967 and we talked with your mother, 1007 00:46:39,036 --> 00:46:41,603 I don't think we ever sat down. 1008 00:46:41,672 --> 00:46:43,639 to talk about the topic again. 1009 00:46:43,708 --> 00:46:45,507 I felt it that day. 1010 00:46:45,576 --> 00:46:48,877 That was it for me. I knew at that very moment 1011 00:46:48,946 --> 00:46:52,047 that something had happened. Something had happened. 1012 00:46:52,116 --> 00:46:55,917 why she Can't you expose the culprit? 1013 00:46:55,986 --> 00:47:00,155 Why can't you go about the abusive husband-father? 1014 00:47:00,224 --> 00:47:01,991 MILDRED: It's what we don't understand. 1015 00:47:02,060 --> 00:47:04,059 Their relationship is over. 1016 00:47:04,128 --> 00:47:08,297 and my father got married twice since then. 1017 00:47:08,366 --> 00:47:10,666 why You wouldn't take the risk, right? 1018 00:47:10,735 --> 00:47:12,100 It's what you can win, 1019 00:47:12,169 --> 00:47:14,135 -not what you can lose. -What can you win? 1020 00:47:14,204 --> 00:47:18,073 Peace, you know, opportunity of a relationship 1021 00:47:18,142 --> 00:47:20,208 with his son and granddaughters. 1022 00:47:20,277 --> 00:47:22,778 MILDRED: Really? Have you said those words to him? 1023 00:47:22,847 --> 00:47:24,412 That she could have...? 1024 00:47:24,481 --> 00:47:26,147 MELISSA: What would happen? If you would forgive her, 1025 00:47:26,216 --> 00:47:28,017 If that were the piece that...? 1026 00:47:28,086 --> 00:47:30,185 -There are no magic words. -There has to be. 1027 00:47:30,254 --> 00:47:32,054 -There has to be... There are. -There aren't any. 1028 00:47:32,123 --> 00:47:33,955 There has to be. We don't know what happened. 1029 00:47:34,024 --> 00:47:36,057 STEPHEN: There isn't. magic words 1030 00:47:36,126 --> 00:47:38,193 MILDRED: The people take this to the grave. 1031 00:47:38,262 --> 00:47:41,530 I would hate... In truth, I would hate 1032 00:47:41,599 --> 00:47:43,699 that that was our situation, 1033 00:47:43,768 --> 00:47:45,570 that she would take this to the grave. 1034 00:47:46,771 --> 00:47:49,541 ♪ (SOFT MUSIC PLAYS) ♪ 1035 00:47:59,149 --> 00:48:02,087 (CRICKETS CHIRPING) 1036 00:48:07,291 --> 00:48:10,592 PRODUCER: Stephen, have you been in this 1037 00:48:10,661 --> 00:48:12,728 since 2008. 1038 00:48:12,797 --> 00:48:15,968 Have you ever have you thought about leaving it? 1039 00:48:17,702 --> 00:48:20,603 I feel like I'm done... 1040 00:48:20,672 --> 00:48:22,237 to have more determination. 1041 00:48:22,306 --> 00:48:27,375 I want resolution, one way or another. 1042 00:48:27,444 --> 00:48:32,451 Even if it's an alley no way out, and there is no... 1043 00:48:33,317 --> 00:48:34,984 nothing to follow. 1044 00:48:35,053 --> 00:48:37,881 Well then arrive to that point. 1045 00:48:37,950 --> 00:48:40,923 Because I have not given myself given up on Jennifer. 1046 00:48:40,992 --> 00:48:43,091 I would never give up on... 1047 00:48:43,160 --> 00:48:44,960 God forbid, if something happened to him 1048 00:48:45,029 --> 00:48:46,999 to one of my daughters, I wouldn't give up. 1049 00:48:48,866 --> 00:48:50,931 No matter what, I wouldn't give up. 1050 00:48:53,571 --> 00:48:55,403 PRODUCER: Have you learned things about your sister 1051 00:48:55,472 --> 00:48:58,377 What did you not know? because They weren't close growing up. 1052 00:48:59,110 --> 00:49:02,377 Yes. I think... Sure. 1053 00:49:02,446 --> 00:49:04,945 I have learned more about Jennifer from... 1054 00:49:06,618 --> 00:49:07,816 what i knew 1055 00:49:07,885 --> 00:49:10,152 And I confirmed many things. 1056 00:49:10,221 --> 00:49:14,126 I always thought in Jennifer like... 1057 00:49:15,493 --> 00:49:16,391 a fighter 1058 00:49:16,460 --> 00:49:18,726 She wasn't going to back down. before anyone, 1059 00:49:18,795 --> 00:49:23,165 not even before my father. And Sharon confirmed all that, 1060 00:49:23,234 --> 00:49:27,736 and it saddens me what I couldn't see. You understand? 1061 00:49:27,805 --> 00:49:29,404 How would it have grown? 1062 00:49:29,473 --> 00:49:33,345 What would it be? converted...she, 1063 00:49:34,278 --> 00:49:36,979 beyond a young woman 15 years old? 1064 00:49:37,048 --> 00:49:40,119 ♪ (SOMB MUSIC PLAYS) ♪ 1065 00:49:45,189 --> 00:49:47,055 JENNIFER: "I can't delete the things I've done." 1066 00:49:47,124 --> 00:49:49,024 "A NEW BEGINNING" FROM THE NOTES OF JENNIFER PANDOS 1067 00:49:49,093 --> 00:49:50,992 JENNIFER: "There's no room left to run. 1068 00:49:51,061 --> 00:49:54,262 Life is hard, but it goes on. 1069 00:49:54,331 --> 00:49:57,302 The past times They are gone forever. 1070 00:49:58,369 --> 00:50:01,103 I can't sit and live anymore. 1071 00:50:01,172 --> 00:50:03,538 I have to leave my lonely armor. 1072 00:50:03,607 --> 00:50:07,175 get on with my life and start again. 1073 00:50:07,244 --> 00:50:10,045 live my days as if they were the last. 1074 00:50:10,114 --> 00:50:13,218 Without looking back and forget the past." 1075 00:50:17,121 --> 00:50:18,453 STEPHEN: Pandos. 1076 00:50:18,522 --> 00:50:20,792 GUARD: Do you have the resident's phone number? 1077 00:50:25,963 --> 00:50:27,662 Is it supposed What should be recording? 1078 00:50:27,731 --> 00:50:29,765 CAMERAMAN: I'm just recording him. 1079 00:50:29,834 --> 00:50:31,203 STEPHEN: It's just me. Yes. 1080 00:50:32,169 --> 00:50:33,636 -GUARD: Here you go. -Okay, great. 1081 00:50:33,705 --> 00:50:35,207 -It can happen. -Thank you. 1082 00:50:37,102 --> 00:50:39,241 NARRATOR: Kingsmill. Williamsburg, Virginia. 1083 00:50:39,310 --> 00:50:41,543 STEPHEN: This is the place. where my parents lived 1084 00:50:41,612 --> 00:50:42,978 in Williamsburg. 1085 00:50:43,047 --> 00:50:45,750 I haven't been here in... a long time. 1086 00:50:55,792 --> 00:50:58,497 It was in that last condominium, here, at the end. 1087 00:51:08,906 --> 00:51:12,444 This is... strange. 1088 00:51:13,277 --> 00:51:15,978 -PAUL FORTIN: Hello. -STEPHEN: Hello. 1089 00:51:16,047 --> 00:51:17,379 What are you doing? 1090 00:51:17,448 --> 00:51:19,247 STEPHEN: I used to. living here for years. 1091 00:51:19,316 --> 00:51:20,911 -PAUL: Here? -STEPHEN: Yes. 1092 00:51:20,980 --> 00:51:23,418 My parents rented it to them, probably. 1093 00:51:23,487 --> 00:51:25,349 -PAUL: Maybe. -Yes, Pandos. 1094 00:51:25,418 --> 00:51:26,755 I lived here. 1095 00:51:26,824 --> 00:51:29,657 My parents lived here in the mid and late 80s. 1096 00:51:29,726 --> 00:51:31,594 PAUL: Is she your sister? the one that disappeared? 1097 00:51:31,663 --> 00:51:32,664 STEPHEN: That's right. 1098 00:51:33,630 --> 00:51:37,502 They made the police came here 1099 00:51:38,235 --> 00:51:40,736 a few years ago. 1100 00:51:40,805 --> 00:51:41,836 STEPHEN: Yes. 1101 00:51:41,905 --> 00:51:45,006 PAUL: I didn't know what people was doing here. 1102 00:51:45,075 --> 00:51:47,142 But. I'm sorry. 1103 00:51:47,211 --> 00:51:48,580 PAUL: Okay. 1104 00:51:49,547 --> 00:51:51,383 Alright. Very good. Thank you. 1105 00:51:56,687 --> 00:51:59,258 PRODUCER: I'll see if they let us enter the condominium. 1106 00:52:02,426 --> 00:52:04,729 STEPHEN: Being here. makes me think... 1107 00:52:05,562 --> 00:52:07,832 you know? On what happened that night. 1108 00:52:09,867 --> 00:52:12,167 I can hear it, you know? 1109 00:52:12,236 --> 00:52:14,102 When Sharon described my father 1110 00:52:14,171 --> 00:52:17,206 yelling at my sister: "Put the phone down." 1111 00:52:17,275 --> 00:52:18,610 I can see it. 1112 00:52:20,178 --> 00:52:21,480 I can hear it. 1113 00:52:26,650 --> 00:52:31,423 -(WEAK ROAR OF WIND) -♪ (BREAKING MUSIC PLAYS) ♪ 1114 00:52:45,136 --> 00:52:46,368 -(STEPHEN GROWLS) -(OPENS DOOR) 1115 00:52:46,437 --> 00:52:48,573 ♪ (MUSIC CONCLUDES) ♪ 1116 00:52:50,241 --> 00:52:51,774 -STEPHEN: Hello. -PAUL: Hello. 1117 00:52:51,843 --> 00:52:54,677 -Hello, I'm Stephen Pandos. -PAUL: Stephen. 1118 00:52:54,746 --> 00:52:55,610 I'm Paul Fortin. 1119 00:52:55,679 --> 00:52:57,379 STEPHEN: Mr. Fortin, delighted to meet you. 1120 00:52:57,448 --> 00:52:59,648 -Good. -STEPHEN: Thank you for... 1121 00:52:59,717 --> 00:53:02,317 -let us into your house. -Good. Okay. 1122 00:53:02,386 --> 00:53:03,819 This is the master bedroom. 1123 00:53:03,888 --> 00:53:04,820 STEPHEN: That's right. 1124 00:53:04,889 --> 00:53:07,055 PAUL: And I don't know where I was. your sister's. 1125 00:53:07,124 --> 00:53:08,489 Yes. She... His room was here. 1126 00:53:08,558 --> 00:53:10,459 PAUL: Surprising. And where were your parents? 1127 00:53:10,528 --> 00:53:11,493 Above. 1128 00:53:11,562 --> 00:53:13,228 So they weren't in the master bedroom. 1129 00:53:13,297 --> 00:53:14,796 -STEPHEN: That's right. -Okay, good. 1130 00:53:14,865 --> 00:53:16,902 -Go into the room right there. -STEPHEN: Yes. 1131 00:53:18,802 --> 00:53:21,064 The story tells that my parents came in. 1132 00:53:21,133 --> 00:53:24,539 Jennifer's bed It was exactly there 1133 00:53:24,608 --> 00:53:28,747 and there was a cedar chest at the end of the bed 1134 00:53:29,446 --> 00:53:30,913 where they found the note. 1135 00:53:30,982 --> 00:53:34,182 And none were missing of Jennifer's things. 1136 00:53:34,251 --> 00:53:37,389 All his clothes were here, all of them. Yes that's how it is. 1137 00:53:38,556 --> 00:53:40,817 Yes. When did the police return? 1138 00:53:40,886 --> 00:53:43,058 Were you here when they brought 1139 00:53:43,127 --> 00:53:44,226 to sniffer dogs? 1140 00:53:44,295 --> 00:53:46,261 Oh I didn't know 1141 00:53:46,330 --> 00:53:48,731 that this incident had happened. 1142 00:53:48,800 --> 00:53:51,466 They brought the dogs trackers 1143 00:53:51,535 --> 00:53:53,034 and I said, "Damn, after 17 years, 1144 00:53:53,103 --> 00:53:54,236 What can they find?" 1145 00:53:54,305 --> 00:53:56,404 -STEPHEN: Yes. -They said: "Don't worry, 1146 00:53:56,473 --> 00:53:58,441 can find ancient bones." 1147 00:53:58,510 --> 00:53:59,742 They never found anything. 1148 00:53:59,811 --> 00:54:02,144 The only place where they stopped 1149 00:54:02,213 --> 00:54:04,313 it was in the living room where I keep sweets. 1150 00:54:04,382 --> 00:54:05,842 (BOTH LAUGH) 1151 00:54:05,911 --> 00:54:07,349 And they wanted to check the outside 1152 00:54:07,418 --> 00:54:09,551 -and under the house. -STEPHEN: Yes. 1153 00:54:09,620 --> 00:54:11,887 Yes. The dogs that were here, 1154 00:54:11,956 --> 00:54:13,892 under the house... 1155 00:54:15,292 --> 00:54:18,160 where everyone had something in the same place. 1156 00:54:18,229 --> 00:54:20,532 And you know, that was it. 1157 00:54:21,198 --> 00:54:22,701 It's strange being here. 1158 00:54:24,235 --> 00:54:27,236 God, the leaves They are falling very fast. 1159 00:54:27,305 --> 00:54:28,236 STEPHEN: Yes. 1160 00:54:28,305 --> 00:54:29,605 There is a lot of wind. 1161 00:54:29,674 --> 00:54:32,912 ♪ (REFLECTIVE MUSIC PLAYS) ♪ 1162 00:54:40,512 --> 00:54:43,618 STEPHEN: My father would have brought Jennifer's body here, 1163 00:54:43,687 --> 00:54:46,788 and the dogs had clues near the front of the house, 1164 00:54:46,857 --> 00:54:49,357 right on the other side of those two columns 1165 00:54:49,426 --> 00:54:51,030 towards the front of that place. 1166 00:54:52,129 --> 00:54:54,033 Yes. This is creepy. 1167 00:54:56,701 --> 00:54:57,836 Ah... 1168 00:54:59,604 --> 00:55:02,472 -But yes, there... -PAUL: Yes. 1169 00:55:02,541 --> 00:55:05,344 ...is where I would have been. 1170 00:55:06,944 --> 00:55:08,878 PAUL: This must be it. very emotional for you. 1171 00:55:08,947 --> 00:55:11,180 Yes, I felt it, when we came here. 1172 00:55:11,249 --> 00:55:15,017 I mean, I haven't been here. since my parents moved away, 1173 00:55:15,086 --> 00:55:17,720 and while driving, 1174 00:55:17,789 --> 00:55:21,023 I could feel that my chest was tensed, 1175 00:55:21,092 --> 00:55:23,362 that my heart was racing. 1176 00:55:43,314 --> 00:55:45,584 ♪ (REFLECTIVE MUSIC CONCLUDES) ♪ 1177 00:55:48,552 --> 00:55:50,819 WENDI: On August 19, 2009, 1178 00:55:50,888 --> 00:55:54,523 the Secret Service carried out a polygraph to Ronald Pandos, 1179 00:55:54,592 --> 00:55:57,325 who was in jail of Oklahoma. 1180 00:55:57,394 --> 00:55:59,161 The polygraph examiner asked him: 1181 00:55:59,230 --> 00:56:02,197 "Are you responsible for "Jennifer's disappearance?" 1182 00:56:02,266 --> 00:56:03,598 Ronald answered "no", 1183 00:56:03,667 --> 00:56:05,468 and the examiner of the polygraph reported 1184 00:56:05,537 --> 00:56:07,702 that he was showing deception. 1185 00:56:07,771 --> 00:56:11,541 Ron started pointing. the top 1186 00:56:11,610 --> 00:56:13,542 of the area in which they lived. 1187 00:56:13,611 --> 00:56:16,644 He also put an in the forest 1188 00:56:16,713 --> 00:56:19,614 Ron started to say that he was sorry for what happened 1189 00:56:19,683 --> 00:56:22,217 and told the agents of the Secret Service 1190 00:56:22,286 --> 00:56:23,986 what if they could get a plane, 1191 00:56:24,055 --> 00:56:26,917 I could take them to Jennifer's body. 1192 00:56:26,986 --> 00:56:28,689 And then he changed his mind 1193 00:56:28,758 --> 00:56:31,130 and said he didn't know what had happened. 1194 00:56:32,130 --> 00:56:33,962 STEPHEN: These are interviews. with my mother. 1195 00:56:34,031 --> 00:56:36,566 I received a call at six o'clock 1196 00:56:36,635 --> 00:56:37,866 Wednesday night 1197 00:56:37,935 --> 00:56:40,669 saying that my father He had failed his polygraph. 1198 00:56:40,738 --> 00:56:44,206 The next day, I had my mother in the car 1199 00:56:44,275 --> 00:56:45,540 and I took her to Williamsburg 1200 00:56:45,609 --> 00:56:48,444 to finally speak with the police department 1201 00:56:48,513 --> 00:56:49,512 about all this. 1202 00:56:49,581 --> 00:56:51,341 There was too much information 1203 00:56:51,410 --> 00:56:54,549 too much, and she I had to tell the truth. 1204 00:56:54,618 --> 00:56:57,319 WENDI: The next day, Stephen took Margie 1205 00:56:57,388 --> 00:56:58,553 to be interviewed. 1206 00:56:58,622 --> 00:57:00,888 I spoke with our prosecutor of the commonwealth. 1207 00:57:00,957 --> 00:57:03,758 I was willing to provide Immunity to Margie 1208 00:57:03,827 --> 00:57:06,165 in all positions, except for homicide. 1209 00:57:07,065 --> 00:57:09,525 STEPHEN: Tell the truth with immunity 1210 00:57:09,594 --> 00:57:13,134 It was an opportunity to that she had some control 1211 00:57:13,203 --> 00:57:14,503 of the events. 1212 00:57:14,572 --> 00:57:17,372 She knew what it meant. 1213 00:57:17,441 --> 00:57:19,008 WENDI: That day was different. 1214 00:57:19,077 --> 00:57:21,576 Obviously, I had high expectations 1215 00:57:21,645 --> 00:57:24,746 because Margie came to tell us 1216 00:57:24,815 --> 00:57:26,446 what happened to Jennifer. 1217 00:57:27,285 --> 00:57:30,552 WENDI: This way, have a seat. 1218 00:57:30,621 --> 00:57:33,959 ♪ (INTENSE MUSIC PLAYS) ♪ 1219 00:57:42,332 --> 00:57:45,668 ♪ (INTENSE MUSIC CONCLUDES) ♪ 1220 00:57:45,737 --> 00:57:48,974 ♪ (SOMB MUSIC PLAYS) ♪ 1221 00:58:30,375 --> 00:58:32,817 ♪ (SOMB MUSIC CONCLUDES) ♪